How hard is this process? assuming the person doing it has the jig and tooling and is reasonably mechanically adept. Also is this going to become illegal with any of the pending legislation? Do you need to register the lower once its complete? Thanks in advance.
Posted Feb 6, 2019, 7:05 PM UTC
To expand on this:
Also is this going to become illegal with any of the pending legislation?
Yes, see HB 1073 and SB 5061. Of these two, the Senate Bill is most likely to pass. The House Bill is stalled in committee while the Senate Bill has passed committee. The substitute Senate bill as passed by the committee reads:
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to:
(a) Manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, untraceable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle
c) Assemble or repair any machine gun, bump-fire stock, undetectable firearm, untraceable firearm, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle
And untraceable firearm is defined as:
(36) "Untraceable firearm" means any firearm manufactured after July 1, 2019, which does not have a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer imprinted on its major component...
Therefore, any homemade firearm would be illegal as none of these will have a serial number registered to an FFL.
So, how are they going to prove you made it after July 1st?
Hey now, don't bring enforcement feasibility into this. Think of the children! At least we're doing something.
They'll call it a loophole in a few years and then require serial numbers on everything.
So unlike previous rumors, we can cautiously assume that we will no longer be able to purchase 80% recievers locally/online, but all parts should still be available.
The 80% lower receiver isn't a firearm though. It's just a piece of metal until you make it into one.
How they would be able to prove exactly the date you did that is the question of the day. All of these laws are just nonsense and are designed to make criminals out of law-abiding hobbyists.
You are correct. I’m not sure this applies to 80% lowers for exactly the reason you state. They aren’t included in the definition of firearm. This bill is to limit 3d printed guns.
Legally you could still buy an 80% receiver as it is not yet a firearm and therefore has no purchase controls. But it would be illegal to finish it.
Thanks for the info. From my understanding even CA allows you to manufacture but you have to engrave a serial yourself and register it with the state. We're going even further!
Yeah this is fucked and should be shot down in the courts if it makes it through in this form.
We’re already fucked here. You haven’t heard of the Vaseline shortage we’re having?
I’m looking at fleeing Cali ASAP. Lol but it seems guns are becoming unwelcome every where I look.
Easy, did it as soon as I turned 18. I used a drill press and a pneumatic dremel thing a friend had. I don't know dick about tools and i didnt really have any to use, but mine still came together super easy. Just make sure you take your time and align everything properly. Read the instructions and youre good to go.
Not sure, haven't done it.
Yes.
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easy if you take your time, know how to use the machines safely and correctly and follow the instructions. homemade firearms do not need to be registered
If you can operate a drill and router, and carefully research and follow a few good YouTube and online resources, you can do this. Unless your seriously monkey fisted or impatient, it’s nearly impossible to screw up.
Finished 3; two aluminium, one composite. All three on a drill press and finished with a dremel for fine work. If you are remotely capable of using tools, you can finish one. My suggestion...start with a composite (plastic) lower and graduate to metal.
It's very easy if you have the proper equipment.
I use a ghost Gunner 2 CNC machine but a router and jig works equally well.
The new legislation does appear to ban unserialized guns and designates them to be contraband subject to seizure. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
It's worth pointing out that this is unconstitutional.
You need to be willing to accept the possibility that you'll be made into w criminal at a later date if you decide to engage in the centuries old act of making your own firearm for personal use.
I dunno about here but I thought in Cali you could serialize your own lowers?
That defeats the purpose.
The slippery slope is not a fallacy when it relates to gun control. I could serialize my lowers and have an FFL do paperwork for me and be compliant for now... But they'll keep pushing and they'll know exactly what I have.
I won't be complying with any of Washington's new laws. I just hope a SWAT team doesn't kill my children before I have the chance to get out of this cesspool.
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Sure thing