Kel-Tec PMR-30 - Pistol with a 30 round magazine.
thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/23/kel-tec-pm...Posted Jan 27, 2010, 5:38 PM UTC
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FN's Five seveN does this with real centerfire catridges that have much more impressive ballistics than .22 Magnum.
Just sayin'.
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Sure, the 5-7 is a real gun. But it's really expensive. This could be a fun substitute, like a GSG-5 instead of an MP5. I'd be more interested if it was .22LR... and if I didn't live in CA ;).
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So you're saying what they're saying in this article, which was linked in the OP's article?
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I heard it explained best the following way: The 5-7 pistol is the equivalent of a 22wmr rifle. The 22wmr pistol is the equivalent of a 22lr rifle. Not sure if it is true but sounds good for comparison.
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5.7x28 is much closer to 9mm than .22wmr in a rifle.
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I'm considering this gun because I already have a .22wmr rifle and like the idea of a matching sidearm, but the ammo's getting expensive and I'm afraid it might eat through rounds like my current rimfire pistol. Maybe it would be better to get a Ruger single six.
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"The PMR-30 has a unique hybrid blow back / locked breech recoil system."
This is what raises my eyebrow... I am having a hard time visualizing how this would work w/o being needlessly complex.
I think that I might have to take one apart, at some point, though.
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Very cool, I'll have to pick one of these up sometime down the road.
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So it's just another Five-seveN clone?
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The article has been updated with this, but I'm not sure if your reply was before or after that.
Either way - You'd be very, very wrong. The Grendel P30 was introduced in 1990, a good nine or ten years before the FN Five-seveN. George Kellgren of Grendel is now one-half of Kel-Tec.
If one "cloned" the other, it was the Five-seveN, but I don't think that's the case either way. FN went through all the trouble of designing a brand new PDW cartridge and wanted to capitalize on that investment with a matching pistol. The Five-seveN is also marketed squarely at law enforcement (for some silly reason) while the Grendel and Kel-Tec are both marketed at target shooters - Particularly this new Kel-Tec; notice the fiber optic sights on it.
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I'd be all over this if it was .22LR.
This is precisely what I came here to say. I was thinking about what an AWESOME plinking pistol this would be, then I remembered how fucking expensive .22 mag ammo is, ESPECIALLY compared to .22LR ($10-12 for 500 rounds, hello?!).
Please, for the love of god, someone make a high-quality high-capacity .22LR pistol. That brings up another point: as cool as this thing looks, Kel-Tec isn't exactly known for making the highest-quality stuff, either...
I'd LOVE to see Glock or Sig come out with something along these lines in .22LR...
Wait, Kel-Tec doesn't make high-quality weapons? Since when? My only complaint, ever, with Kel-Tec is that the P-3AT and P11 are both extremely difficult to control. They are, however, well-made.
I always kinda got the impression that their stuff was sort of on the low-medium end of the quality scale, kinda like Ruger semi-autos.
If you consider Ruger semi-autos to be low-medium quality, then...well, Kel-Tec is the same. I consider them solidly in the middle, though, and I wouldn't ever use the word "low" to describe them.
Rumor has a .22LR conversion in the works.
Not sure if the 30-round magazine would be possible with the shorter cartridge length.
They have conversion kits...
I saw an interview at shot show and they said Kel-Tec were planning on releasing it in 22lr later on.