What was your turning point?

When did things become sour for you? What was the moment when you realised that you were either no longer a fan or that your enjoyment was, at the very least, shaken?

For me, it was the Ghoul Grumps fiasco, and it wasn't because they didn't do it last year. For me, the issue was the explanation they gave and the lies. Long story short, we were told it was a scheduling error.

They plan their videos weeks in advance and nobody is going to forget Halloween, especially when they plan Halloween episodes on an annual basis. Even in one of their videos, Dan says they should start recording Ghoul Grumps episodes, to which Arin, on camera, says no. Suddenly, we're told it was a scheduling error and they weren't doing Ghoul Grumps this year except for one episode. Days later, when that excuse wasn't accepted, Arin made the apology video where he straight up admits he just didn't want to do it and it wasn't a scheduling error. That was the day I lost respect and interest in this channel.

So, what was it for you? If you have a specific video in mind and can find it, it'd be awesome if you included a link and, if you can, a timestamp.

Posted Feb 27, 2019, 3:59 AM UTC

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klaxuspenguin•

My tipping point was partially not their fault: The Majora's Mask playthrough and subsequent fallout on this sub made me just say "Fuck it, I'm not supporting this idiot(re: Arin) anymore." This wasn't the first time I've had issues with how he "played" games, or his opinions, but it was the first time that I was actively playing the same game alongside the ongoing playthrough(coincidentally, my first run of MM, itself). Every time he'd say something sucked, things were broken, whatever made-up, over-exaggerated complaints he could come up with, I'd boot up the game for myself and try experiencing what he was talking about. More often than not, my conclusion would be that he was just playing wrong, reading the walkthrough wrong, making something up, or blowing things out of proportion. His few actual complaints were fixed in the 3DS remake, so they were exactly as vacuous as the rest of his opinions.

And his 2 rage-quit rants were completely ridiculous. I've said as much before, but you can't say "I respect other people's opinions that this is a good game" in the same breath as "This game is factually horrible and no one likes it". Especially when that "factually horrible" statement is, by his own admission I'll remind everyone, based on nothing more than the game's popularity.

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By all means, if you dislike something, you don't have to justify that distaste. But don't say "No one else can like this thing because I don't". Your own preferences aren't everyone else's realities

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CritikillNickAll of GameGrumps•

I also officially "quit" during the MM playthrough. I get that my favorite game has some flaws and many people who didn't grow up loving it might dislike how it has aged, but it's still a fantastic fucking game. Arin's arguments against it were .01% accurate and 99.99% his own incompetence with 3d Zelda games.

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TrinnB•

My favourite was MM too. Basically because i played ocarina of time way too much and Majora's mask was much more intricate with all the side questing and the story was more evolved. Though i do expect that from a sequel.

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TrinnB•

the one time you can factually state someone is playing it wrong is when talking about Arin "this game sucks" hanson

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aintputtingupwithshDan Era, 2015•

It was the House Party contest fiasco that started the ball rolling for me (for anyone not in the know - a random fan submitted Dan into the House Party contest without his knowledge/blessing, added a link to the contest on the main sub so the 'lovelies' there could flood the voting ballots in order to get Dan the win). The fact that the Grumps chose to reward the 'lovelies' for the sheer disregard to Dan's thoughts/schedule by submitting themselves into the contest (and winning - thanks to the lovelies flooding the ballots a second time) instead of addressing why doing something like that is actually grossly disrespectful to someone they claim to idolize just rubbed me the wrong way.

I get wanting to make your fans happy - but there should be limits. Otherwise, how far is too far? (I'd think robbing an idol's right to chose by submitting his name into a porn game is taking things way too far; but what do I know?)

The Twitter fiasco (where Arin lambasted a fan for using a dead meme; and didn't show any concern/regret for the fan when the 'lovelies' threatened/doxxed her - even after she paid money on a stream to apologize to him directly for inadvertently offending him) had me stop watching Grumps altogether. The whole rescheduling video (with the clickbait thumbnail of a sickly Arin posted a day prior to the videos release to encourage more people to watch) was what caused me to unsub from the channel (specifically Dan's line of 'The algorithm sucks. We're not making enough revenue and we don't want to fire our friends!' was what officially ended it for me).

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PointMan528491•

What was the result of the contest? I remember them playing House Party but I'm not aware of any contest they were involved in. No surprise the fanbase turned the mob mentality up to 11 for whatever it was.

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aintputtingupwithshDan Era, 2015•

The House Party folks decided to forgo their own rules and use their right as contest holder to pick the winner they wanted; so - instead of sticking with the 'one male/one female' winner - they awarded the Grumps the male slot, even though it was two guys instead of one (most likely because the Grumps would play the game on their channel and the 'lovelies' would easily buy the game with the belief they'd be able to romance/boink Dan and/or Arin).

Really hoping that there is no 'romance/sex up the Grumps' option in the updated game. Imagine how irate the 'lovelies' would be to be rewarded for being entitled, disrespectful brats - only to be denied the right to sex up either Grump.

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WhiskeyWeekendsOP•

That's a few pretty good reasons.

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ElTito666All of GameGrumps (To an extent)•

Jon leaving was the first hit. Hear me out, I really enjoyed early Dan era but just the way everything was handled seemed so corporate and slimy that it made me aware of some of the corporate side of the channel.

When Dan and Ross stopped playing together on Steam Train (or when it became very rare for it to happen) that was really sad and made me realize that the Dan/Arin interaction is extremely weak, and really not good enough to hold the channel together by itself. Good, interesting gameplay was a requirement to keep my interest (not competent, but at least entertaining by itself) so I only saw series were the game was fun to watch by itself.

Then when Kevin started editing, which dropped the quality of the show substantially, I just became aware of how cheap Arin is about time and effort. I'd say this happened about the same time as Dan going full "yes man" for Arin and constantly checking his phone. The show became a chore for them and for me, so I only watched long series, special episodes or GG versus which forced them to interact.

The straw that broke the camels back was definitely Mario Maker, I felt like I was watching any other stupid kid-oriented Let's Play channel and I legitimately felt shame. All fake rage, screaming and poop jokes, it got old real fast and I finally un-subbed.

To this day I still watch one or two episodes a month looking for that old spark that made me like the channel, but I've been here since r/VentGrumps.

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NateFromTheCommentsJon-Dan Era, 2013•

They've had hits and misses over the years, but what started my disdain for the show was the whole Paper Mario fiasco, where Arin spends and episode and a half bemoaning a fan for "ruining the experience" for Dan by giving him advice (advice which, if I recall correctly, Dan asked for in an AMA) on how to properly use systems they've been forgetting about for the whole playthrough, like the badge system. That series as a whole was spotty at best, with them largely ignoring game mechanics and getting stuck at pretty simple puzzles.

What really cemented it were the more recent changes, namely the doing away with any long form series outside of streams. Those longer series, like Grumps Dream Course, 3D World, Sunshine, and many of the Jon era ones were always what I found myself going back to; I'd almost never seek out the 3-12 episode series that they're pretty much only doing now. The last series of videos I remember consistently enjoying would have to be A Way Out, and it's been pretty mediocre for me since.

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Edit: Grammar

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oldboi87•

I would say that’s the same for me. I distinctly remember how off handed Arin was towards Ghoul Grumps. I never took his apology to heart. It was obviously damage control. Apologies because you got caught not caring aren’t apologies. That’s the whole mentality I find disgusting. If I apologize, everything is ok. No, someone apologizes because they have learned their lesson. Arin didn’t learn anything.

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aintputtingupwithshDan Era, 2015•

What made it all the worse was that - if the 'lovelies' never bombarded NSP's music video with demands for Ghould Grumps, Arin would likely have never said a word about it.

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PointMan528491•

Honestly, my tipping point was relatively insignificant compared to most you guys it seems: their Pokemon Snap playthrough. If you can call two episodes a playthrough.

Their incessant complaining about not unlocking the next level(s) when the game is blatantly telling it to you drove me insane. I knew they don't read, but that was just absurd. The others figured it out on Steam Train. I figured that shit out when I was 7 years old. There's no excuse.

I don't think I've seen any of their content consistently since then. Maybe sporadic episodes here and there.

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WhiskeyWeekendsOP•

I gotta say, out of all these, LPers not reading the shit that's on the screen is by far the most irritating. Giant Bomb (not LPers, but still...) was like that quite often, especially when Brad was playing.

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adironwalf•

Slow burn for me, but the point of no return was Majora's Mask. I was patient through OoT because there were some great moments (Dan not knowing about Sheik was charming) but there was nothing even remotely entertaining in the MM series. Arin devoted himself to being the most petulant shit on the planet and missed out on subplots and moments that make the game so meaningful to so many people. He so obviously hated the experience and it got to the point where it felt like he was punishing the viewers for even requesting it.

After that it snowballed and when Dan couldn't be arsed to try either, I stopped watching outside a few episodes here and there. If I had any respect for them after that, their weaselly schedule change video snuffed it out.

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boblasagna18All of GameGrumps (To an extent)•

The fandom itself

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ScrewYouReddit475•

Mario Maker was where it started.

TTYD was where i was fucking sick of Arlond.

Took pretty big brakes in between.

Only watched Grumps daily before all that shit with Ross and Brian started. I love Dan, but holy shit... his friends are the most annoying fuckheads i have ever seen...

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WhiskeyWeekendsOP•

Oddly, 10MPH is the most viewed thing on their entire channel.

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Toblo1Grep Era•

The Sonic playthroughs post-Boom (Mainly SA1) and Ocarina Of Time.

Being a (normal) Sonic fan is draining even at the best of times, but the way Arin acts with those games and sabotages even the decent/good ones just doesn't sit well with me at all. I'm still sore about the Sonic Mania fiasco.

And we all know about Arin's vendetta against any 3D Zelda game at this point, and the OoT playthrough wasn't quite the peak (That dubious honor probably goes to the MM playthrough), it definitely showed how full of shit Arin was and pretty much shattered any sort of credibility his OoT Sequelitis had.

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galaxywiing•

I still enjoy their content but not nearly as much as I used to. When things got sour for me was definitely the TTYD playthrough, with Arin's attitude toward fans trying to give them advice on the game, but i think my disappointment came to a full head during the Skyward Sword live stream with the whole "dammit Ross" dilemma. How Arin treated a fan who made the "dammit ross" joke to him on Twitter and he proceeded to go off on them, ultimately prompting his fans to attack her as well. It just kind of stung and really gave me an idea of how he might view his fans. I just thought it was absurd that he would get mad at a fan for making a joke they literally capitalized off of and made merch out of. The fan even went out of their way to donate to the livestream, apologise for making the joke and he continued to berate her while not even thanking her for her donation, calling her "some rando on the internet". I knew there was definitely a problem when he was literally the only one upset over that and even Ross himself was wondering why he was getting worked up over it.

I still like the Game Grumps, but my perception of Arin changed drastically after that whole event, especially seeing as he never apologized to the fan or opened any mature dialogue with her about why he was upset. That whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth. Alot of my grievances toward his attitude have more to do with how he's treated his fans more than gameplay on the show, and its pretty telling on his part. I could only hope he looks back on those times and works toward being better.

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aintputtingupwithshDan Era, 2015•

I could only hope he looks back on those times and works toward being better.

With the amount of people (fans and friends alike) seemingly enabling this behavior (by largely making excuses for him); that's not likely to happen any time in the near future.

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galaxywiing•

I agree, it seems really unlikely at this point. I try to avoid hoping the worst for people but its pretty realistic to say that he's pretty cemented in his ways and no ones really interested in pointing him in the right direction. It's really sad because I used to look up to Arin as an artist myself and it just seems over the years he's just become drunk on his fame that he feels he's above things like being careful of what you say to fans and seeing them as more than just faceless people who give you your income. Its a pretty wide claim to make from my part but its just the impression I get from him these days.

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werdnak84•

For me, the turning point was in October 2018 when I discovered this subreddit.

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WhiskeyWeekendsOP•

That's also what happened to me. The Ghoul Grumps thing got me started and I got into a conversation with a guy (can't remember his username, sorry) that introduced me to this sub (he also didn't buy the scheduling excuse) and after reading so many examples of things that bothered people, I started noticing how right people were. If I wasn't aware of the Ghoul Grumps thing, chances are I'd still be a fan.

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SarcasticAlbertan•

The moment in skyward sword where Arin flat out begs for a $700 game. Can someone explain to me where he is entitled to free games when he has a very luxury lifestyle now.

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Frigadosis•

Probably within the first year of watching them. A friend showed me some of the animated videos, which were funny. Same with a random episode or two that would be on when i'd go to that friends house. So I knew of GameGrumps a bit

I needed a new channel to kill my time with so I binged their content. From the first episode, chronologically until I was up to date, which took a year and a month to do. Started by being super funny, and by the last 40% of videos it was just background noise that was kind of funny here and there. Then I just kept watching them.

And it was probably around Majoras Mask that I really started to lose interest and start skipping through videos or just not watching the video at all. Made it up to Overcooked 2 and that's when I unsubscribed and haven't watched anything really since.

I can't think of a single thing that made me unsub, just a lot of dumb "hot takes" from Arin, and the channel feeling dumbed-down and lazier. Just became pointless to watch anything from them.

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CitrusPrime•

I remember talking to a friend of mine about Game Grumps and how they said they loved Dan, and hated Arin. Back then, I thought, "Yeah, he's a little annoying at times, but they're still funny."

My annoyances started with TTYD. Mainly Arin's negative attitude toward the game and fans trying to help him out. Had I watched OoT playthrough, that would have definitely got me to quit, but I never caught it, just watched compilations from it.

Similar to some answers here, it was Majora's Mask that finally broke me. It wasn't fun watching Arin ranting and playing terribly at it. Heard about RantGrumps and been a lurker ever since. Its how I found out about a lot of the questionable things that went on behind the scenes.

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OsomatsuChanJon-Dan Era, 2013•

There wasn't really one. In 2016-2017 my enthusiasm just sort of faded away.

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rparzialAll of GameGrumps•

There are probably at least a dozen little things that have happened over the course of the year. Maybe longer. Mainly showing their laziness or that they may not just be the overly nice and caring guys they put themselves out to be. At least Arin.

But the actual tipping point for me was the 10MPH and cut of the Let's play content. They have clearly shown they are nothing more than sell outs at this point and are just doing this for the money and changing the channel to copy other successful channels like good mythical morning. While cutting the content that put them where they are.

They have every right to do that, it is their lives and channel. But as fans you have a right to not like it and be done with them or have a criticism.

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GreenIllusionJon Era, 2012•

For me, my respect for the channel has been going down in waves. First was how awfully Jon's departure was handled. The biggest part is probably how Arin just thinks his opinion is always right, and by this I mean every time he shits on games because he doesn't attempt to learn the game, plays it wrong or just flat out just WANTS to shit on it. He claimed, way back, that he liked Majora, IIRC, but that simply has to have been a lie. I was always afraid how he would handle Majora, and even though I didn't really watch GG anymore I gave Majora a chance, and wow. Yeah. I have no words. And honestly, I guess I just didn't want to admit it to myself, but Arin himself has almost never made me laugh, I didn't care for his Egoraptor-stuff way back, I came for Jon, stayed because I needed a channel to watch and Dan felt like a nice and interesting guy, but that can only go so far when the other part is just insufferable and keeps on shitting on stuff you care for. I can ramble on about this with so many topics, like the Ghoul Grumps thing, how the humour has gone completely down the shitter, how Guild Grumps was handled by basically every participant, how they replay games in series that still has several unplayed games, how Arin thinks he's a god at game design and makes videos where he shows that he's just wrong, the "rando on the internet", Arin's anger due to "wanting a unique experience" on TTYD yet still using walkthroughs constantly... I stopped watching "every" episode years ago but I think the absolute break point was during Majora, that's when I unsubbed.

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cirqlarlogicAll of GameGrumps (To an extent)•

I tapped out around 30 episodes into Paper Mario. Was just boring to watch and the Grubba voice was irritating as shit. Badgegate happened. Didn't watch anything else save for the occasional vs episode. Watched Majora's Mask all the way through and was 110% done with Arin's bullshit.

There were other things that made me quit: Arin ignoring tutorials, making repetitive poopy ass dick jokes, blaming the game for his own incompetence, constantly talking about how the gameplay is bad without explaining or going into detail. Dan constantly being checked out.

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