...David is the person originating this plan to get rid of Wentworth, but has flipped to voting on the opposite side every single TC? Rick seems like he would've been on board, so they totally had the numbers for the 3rd TC.
Posted Mar 7, 2019, 2:31 AM UTC
Yeah Kelley should have been voted out tonight. David keeps saying he doesn’t trust her at all so why keep her? She is close with Lauren and she probably has no intentions of going far with David. If Kelley is on a swap tribe with David and they don’t have numbers she will flip on him in a second.
David doesn’t trust Kelley...but I’m pretty sure Kelley trusts David. If he votes her out here, he’ll be a prime target by the other tribe and Aubry/Joe at the swap. He doesn’t want to be seen as the one leading the charge.
They probably didn’t have faith Chris would flip on Kelley. Had they voted against Kelley and Chris votes with Kelley, they would’ve been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
Why would Chris not vote Kelley?
I mean ultimately he did vote Kelley. But once Rick learned that Chris went to Wardog about the plan, this spooked Rick and David into thinking Chris wasn’t with them.
To answer your question of why Chris would not vote Kelley, it’s probably the same reason that Wardog won’t vote Kelley, I.e. to keep a meat shield in the game:
It seems like he was only on board if Wardog was imo
I would also like to know this
I think David might be going the Wardog state-of-mind in that ultimately Kelley is a huge meat shield and as long as she's around he won't be the top target. By getting her out now he would put a huge target on his back as not only being a returning player, but also a strategic threat that was able to oust another strategic threat.
Plus he literally told Chris not to tell Wardog and Chris told Wardog. I'm surprised he wasn't more pissed.
He probably should have done it. Chris would have been in his back pocket. He'll probably be fine for now either way though
It's all editing to set up the climax when the conflict between kelley and david really occcurs.
he's not actually targeting her at this point. this is all just part of the build up.
i get the sense that kelley is going to win that battle too
Blessed day of the pastry upon you, good sir.
I thought the same thing and they had the perfect scapegoat in Chris who she thought was the one coming after her.. So instead they vote out someone on their side? I just don't understand
I knew something was up by Wardog's cheesy ass grin.. He has the worst poker face
The only thing that makes sense to me is that David heavily suspects a tribe swap coming in the next episode. If he votes out Wentworth then that leaves 2 people who would not trust him. If he ended up on a tribe with either of them, he would be screwed.
Because David sees that the plan is not bulletproof has good chances of backfiring and sending him to the chopping block if not that vote then the next one. So the plan is canceled. Kelley must not know that David is after her (hence his reaction at tribal when he alludes to Chris and Kelley may take it for herself and he goes into damage control mode instantly).
He's once again the smartest player out there, I'm just sad he doesn't want to work with Kelley. (If I'm rooting for her this season, he's my number two)
I really think this is his strategy. He's distancing himself from her by saying he wants her out but trying to stop it from actually being her to ensure he keeps his shield.
David would like Kelley gone but doesn't need her gone. There's going to be a swap and her there to protect him helps. By playing up Kelley leaving he's fitting in with the new players. If Chris hadn't gone to Wardog he'd probably have voted Kelley but at that point it seemed the safest route to get rid of Chris and now no one knows he is pushing for Kelley. But the newbies know he's open to it. He's basically in an alliance with his entire tribe.
I think David was ok with this because: even though Chris is friendly to David, David knows Chris is still closer to Wardog.
Altho its kind of crazy that that as close as Chris was to Wardog, he never exposed David to Wardog. If he had, Wardog never would've betrayed Chris. It shows what a terrible player Wardog is: he's cutting someone who is much more loyal to him than some of the other targets he couldve picked.
Can someone tell me why David is the person originating this plan to get rid of Wentworth, but has flipped to voting on the opposite side every single TC? Rick seems like he would've been on board, so they totally had the numbers for the 3rd TC.
David & Rick don't want to come off like betrayers, which they'll appear to Wardog & Lauren after tribal if Kelley leaves.
Which makes sense considering a swap is likely coming up shortly and you generally want as many people around believing you're as loyal as possible.
I mean David and Rick are trading Chris and Wendy (Chris will 100% be with them after realizing Wardog sold him down the river), two people who are actually loyal to them, for Lauren and Wardog, two people who are glued to Wentworth. Not a good trade imo.
I mean David and Rick are trading Chris and Wendy (Chris will 100% be with them after realizing Wardog sold him down the river), two people who are actually loyal to them, for Lauren and Wardog
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Going into tribal : David & Rick vote out Kelley, they will potentially earn enemies in Wardog & Lauren. If a swap happens, they could have a problem if Wardog / Lauren end up on their new tribe.
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The way they played it, the only player angry with them (maybe) is Wendy [Extinction Island aside]. But note Wendy was out of the loop last vote & still agreed to play with David & Rick this round. They may feel confident that (a) they can smooth things over with her, or (b) she won't directly cause them problems.
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Chris will 100% be with them after realizing Wardog sold him down the river
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Maybe : When do you propose he will realize "Wardog sold him down the river?"
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If this is before tribal, say, right after Wardog talks to Rick, and David / Rick talk to Chris, it's very very likely Chris may go talk to Wardog again : "Is this true? David said you're trying to take me out." If this happens, David & Rick make enemies anyway, not to mention it may give Wardog a chance to smooth things over with Chris.
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After tribal would be better when the votes actually come out: Chris would likely be angry with Wardog. But there'd still be the problem with Wardog & Lauren knowing Rick & David betrayed them... and still may not play with them should a swap occur.
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It really depends on when you think the swap is coming & how much you care how some people feel about you. Of which one of the most important times to care about this is pre-swap.
On another note : Rick had an SS where he talked about how the other tribe likely hasn't had any cracks to take advantage of because they haven't exposed themselves at tribal : 'The guys over there don't completely know where they stand, so they may just decide to stand together'. That's part of the reason why Rick decided to vote out Keith last week.
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This might be a similar issue : making enemies on your own tribe is too risky right now when it's likely the players on the other tribe may not see themselves as enemies to eachother & may band together at the swap. If Rick is running with this thinking, it might explain why he's chosen the path of, for lack of better term, "least people mad at me."
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However, David's comment at tribal wasn't unnoticed by Kelley. He may have accidentally let slip where he stood & caused problems for himself anyway.
He didn't have enough votes.
I thought David actually played this very smart, once Kelly’s name was out there and she found out about it David hit the alert button because he knows it would come back on him. You can see it in his face how bad he wants her gone but he’s waiting for the right moment to strike. Tonight was too risky for the sole reason of Kelly tracing it back to David
He wants to engineer Wentworth’s ouster, but doesnt want to appear to be controlling votes, because that will put a target on his back. He’s doing well under the radar.
Very impressed with his game thus far. He’s not afraid to back off a plan last minute. He knows there’s going to be chances down the line to get her.
I’m just surprised his name hasn’t been thrown out once despite being a returnee and yet the other three are under heavy fire. He needs to keep at least one for a little while cause his alliance with Rick and Wendy won’t keep him safe forever.
I can’t get over this. I thought he should’ve been sent home first! His history, his awkwardness, his weakness, why was he not the immediate target? At least Kelley is a beast in challenges, I just don’t get it. If he gets to merge, I will be surprised if he doesn’t win
I’m actually hating his game. He is playing so hard and is just under the surface. I think his comments at tribal was his true colors bubbling up, and Kelley sniffed it right out. Wish they weren’t swapping tribes because I would love to watch Kelley bring everything to the forefront, now that it is all even at 3-3.
I think David's comment was meant toward Chris. If he wasn't planning on voting Kelley out...why would he talk about her as this big social threat? He's smarter than you're giving him credit for. I actually think the opposite - that Kelley's overacting to minor things such as this is what is pushing people to want her out so bad.
While David offers a calm presence for his tribe, Kelley is super intense - initiating a mass idol search and even in challenges where she's screaming "FUCK!" During the first few days these newbies are freaking out, I think the reason David has integrated himself so well is because of how calm he's been.
He should be the one with the target...imo he should get props for taking it off himself and placing it on Kelley.
This is very true, that comment at tribal was not necessary.
I disagree, tonight was the perfect time to get her out. She had no idea David and Rick were plotting against her, she would have been totally blindsided. This was the right moment to strike, I don’t think there will be an easier way to get her out in the future.
The kama tribe is all about getting out returnees (obviously David doesn’t know this) but David knew there was a risk if it didn’t work out and she stayed that it would get back to her and she would have a reason to convince people to vote Dave off because of strategic he is.
Knowing how bad Kama wants to get out returnees Id say Kelly’s days are numbered. Going to be SO many opportunities to get her out
Fair enough, but there have been plenty of opportunities for David to take Wentworth out. Maybe it's just because the idea of Wentworth going home being hyped up only for it to be shot down every episode is getting stale.
Ninja Edit: Now that I think about it, the swap likely separates the two. By not taking Wentworth out early, David risks bringing Wentworth into the merge.
Those chances blew up because there were more obvious choices the tribe wanted gone. David’s not going to be the “vote controller” just because he knows he needs Kelly gone for his game
Right but if you take out Wentworth she won’t be able to trace it back to him. I think Wentworth would come for David if she had to however I think the reason Devens and David didn’t vote out Kelly is because they would piss off lauren and wardog as opssed to wendy
The danger is to not have all the votes to vote her out (but still vote against her because you think you have those votes), and then she'll go full vendetta against you.
In theory it wouldn't have mattered if Kelly knew it was David because Kelly would be gone.