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testenth1

Gordon Hayward has been much better lately

His last 15 games he’s at 12/4/4 on 53% shooting, 42% from 3 with a 65 TS%.

He’s got a 10.5 net rating in those games, placing him 2nd behind Semi who’s only played 10 mins a game.

Gordon is playing 26 mins a game, I think it’s about to time to raise that up and let him run some offense from the elbow. He’s not the Hayward of old obviously but he’s getting there.

We tried this earlier but the Celtics hivemind said I have some sort of personal hatred against him for literally posting his awful numbers his first 40 games, so my post shouldn’t count, lol.

Opinions should NOT be static. If the data changes, your opinion should change. This is a tough concept for them because they desperately wanted all his bad games through his first 40 ignored and his 7 good games posted.

A perfect example would be his Minnesota game where he scored 35. The top comment was “wait, I thought r/nba hated him and thought he sucked, now you trolls think he’s good?!” Uhhh, yeah. That’s how reasonable people analyze things.

Why is this a hard concept for people to get? I’m genuinely curious in hearing serious answers. He played terrible for most of the first 40 games, I and many others pointed it out by simply posting factual data. Now, he’s played league average to slightly above league average and we’ve changed our opinions as the data has changed. Is it just tribalism and hivemind? Is it because the sub is filled with children?

I legitimately cannot understand the mindset of someone who thinks posting literal stats is some sort of personal hatred and I’d like to hear their reasoning.

TLDR-Hayward slightly better, Celts hivemind irrational as always. You should ALWAYS change your opinion as the data changes.

Posted Mar 10, 2019, 9:55 AM UTC

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Beamslocke•

You come off really pretentious and superior here. Sure, opinions can change and Hayward has some rough stretches but people on here were calling him one of the worst contracts in the league. Sure, there are some Celtics fans who were over the top with praise but there were equal amounts of other fans saying he would never be the same again.

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nujabes02[DAL] Dirk Nowitzki•

I mean if he didn't improve recently he would be a terrible contract

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Beamslocke•

Yes, but people were talking like it was already done, never to be the same

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monolith17Bulls•

It’s also worth noting he has 2 good games before AS break and everyone pretended he was back and preceded to be terrible again in multiple games after that

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ward0630Celtics•

You're ignoring the fact that he suffered an ankle sprain during the ASB, missed the Milwaukee game because of it, and then it probably affected him for the following couple of games. This is especially obvious when you compare Hayward's aggressiveness on this road trip with what he was doing between the ASB and the road trip.

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monolith17Bulls•

This entire season has been Celtics fans getting bamboozled by the team/Hayward having 2-3 good games in a row. A week from now they will be screaming about how bad things are again.

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limacheKnicks•

He would be the Chandler Parsons of the Celtics

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GMPunk75Celtics•

Some of you are working way to hard to connect the two for the memes.

Parsons has avg 9.7 points a game and has played in 11!! 11 fucking games in the last two years. Nothing will ever beat that bad contracts

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limacheKnicks•

What, because they share the same haircut ? /s

Obviously he’s not as bad as parsons BUT I was honestly thinking about this since Hayward has been so bad to what he normally averages. I like Hayward and I think we were all expecting the Celts to be Hayward’s team tbh.

It almost feels like Danny Granger to Paul George’s rise. Tatum is clearly the future (unless he gets traded for AD).

And maybe Hayward is okay now but it’s not crazy to see him potentially regress to be a horrible contract and just be injured/sitting all the time and just eating up your cap space. Like what happened with Amare - we got him for one good year and he just fell apart.

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Beamslocke•

Yeah, his efficiency has been amazing and by the eye test he seems to be playing more aggressive and confident. I’m realistic enough to know there will be a few more lows in his production but I hope it means that he’s slowly getting to the next level

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9291[ORL] Nikola Vučević•

It's still a recovery season IMO

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Sim888[CHI] Lawrence Funderburke•

I think some people (not all) really underestimate the mental aspect of injuries like Hayward’s. Shit, I had a knee cleanup (just a cleanup!) and it took a while for me to be able play ‘normal’ and fully trust my body again....I can’t imagine what goes through a players head after injuries like Hayward’s, PG’s, Livingston’s or a fighter like Anderson Silva just to name a few.

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El_Oso_BorrachoNBA•

Why is this a hard concept for people to get? I’m genuinely curious in hearing serious answers. He played terrible for most of the first 40 games, I and many others pointed it out by simply posting factual data.

People aren't annoyed with others for changing their opinions. They were annoyed with you and others for constantly shitting on him from about 5 seconds after he stepped back on the court after a year-long injury by "simply posting factual data". It's almost like stats need context or something.

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junkit33•

Because while the ultimate goal is consistency, it was never a realistic outcome until late season. The dude just got cleared for full basketball activity right before the season - Paul George had a full offseason and some PT the prior season to help recover.

So Celtics fans pointed to Hayward’s good games like flower buds poking through the ground signaling Spring. Games like those against the Wolves showed that he was still physically capable of playing like an All Star, and that was the most important thing.

The stats on Gordon this year are meaningless. Your overreliance on data is hurting your view on this one. It was always all about recovery and showing progress. He’s done that. Maybe it wasn’t as fast as people liked, but he’s getting there, and may be very close by the playoffs. If not, next year he’s going to look something much closer to the old Gordon after a full normal offseason.

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Good_NewsEveryonePelicans•

He’s been playing better for a decent minute now. Stats just catching up

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JasonH0711Raptors•

The problem with Hayward is the volatility.

His last 3 games he's averaging 19PPG but the 5 games before that he's averaging 5PPG.

That's not good.

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ward0630Celtics•

He suffered an ankle injury during the ASB which kept him out of the Milwaukee game. It is not only logical but entirely reasonable to expect a guy to play less well when he's coming back from an injury and then play better with more recovery time (2 days off before the Warriors game, 2 days off between the Kings and Lakers game).

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Littlegreenman42Celtics•

The majority of that comes down to touches and attempts. Rozier and Morris are always taking shots that usually kill momentum instead of working the ball around more. Morris last night had 16 attempts to Hayward’s 8. If those shots were better distributed over the year and last night then Hayward’s scoring numbers would be a lot more consistent. As is, he’s having to fight to get his shot which is leading to lower numbers.

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JasonH0711Raptors•

That makes sense

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eazyduzzit10Celtics•

You just sound like an asshole that just checks box scores....if you watched some fucking games you'd see that he's had a lot of games where he played well within the team's flow without it reflecting in the box score...stop acting all high and mighty just because you spit out a bunch of numbers, we all can do that

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internetrichniggaSuns•

hopefully he gets back to his last year in Utah form, celtics would be deadly with him at that level! very optimistic still, it's just taking him a while as expected.

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kobthatrealCeltics•

Well I'm glad you found your purpose in life.

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OhanrahansCeltics•

Is it just tribalism and hivemind? Is it because the sub is filled with children? I legitimately cannot understand the mindset of someone who thinks posting literal stats is some sort of personal hatred and I’d like to hear their reasoning.

I can't understand the mindset of someone who is so fundamentally upset that a fanbase is excited about the potential of a player playing better. You've posted on the "hivemind and homers" topic dozens of times over the season. It's not like Celtics fans are out there saying Gordon Hayward is a top 5 wing or anything, they're simply happy that he's playing better. You're doing more to kill actual basketball discussion by posting 50% of the time complaining about people being homers than any actual homer is killing discussion. Get over yourself.

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Littlegreenman42Celtics•

Hayward’s shooting percentage over the year:

December: 37.0% January: 46.5% February: 51.3% March (entering tonight): 60.0%

Gordon has been getting better over the season and at a pretty consistent rate too. The bigger reason that Hayward isn’t consistently lighting it up is because of how touches are distributed on the team. Last night for example Morris had 16 attempts to Hayward’s 8, most Celtics fans would rather have the shots distributed the other way around.

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Can this be nominated for the most irigtious post of all time. That's a wonderful blend of ironic, ignorant, and pretentious.

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FarWestEros[HOU] Hakeem Olajuwon•

If Hayward is "fixed", it's going to make Milwaukee's road to the Finals a lot tougher.

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jackauffer11•

you sound butthurt he lit your team up twice while he was "playing terribly" recovering from his ankle pointing at a 45 degree angle

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feleceRockets•

I’d take chandler parsons over him still - shorter contract easier to trade as expiring in a seasons tiem

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[deleted]•

Hey . . . Good for Gordon. I hope he continues to do well.

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testenth1OP•

Here’s the one I tried to post earlier but mods deleted, lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/azbx21/gordon_hayward_is_getting_close/

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GMPunk75Celtics•

You have an unhealthy obsession, it's borderline stalkerish. I'm sure you can't see that because you're in denial and that's common. I see it all the time in my profession. No man should care this much about a dude that shattered his ankle the season before and the struggles hes been going through to get back to his all star form.

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