When do they stop needing so much attention?

Puppy Blues

Ever since I got my golden retriever puppy he has absolutely consumed my life. Every second he is awake is a second that I am devoting almost all my attention to him. He is almost 4 months old now. This is something I expected when he was tiny, like 2-3 months old. He is fully potty trained now and is getting better on the biting so we are definitely making progress but it is exhausting. Part of the attention thing isn't that he's badly behaved necessarily (though he does like to get into all sorts of trouble) but because I am paranoid (what if there is something on the ground, etc--even though the house is puppy proofed).

I worry that I'm not as rigorous about training as most of the people on this sub, and that the "it gets better" maxim is reserved only for those people. I will be honest-- I am pretty much living moment by moment with this puppy. We do trick and obedience training, 10-15 minutes almost every day, but other than that I'm not doing anything fancy. I don't have a "puppy schedule", he just sleeps and plays when he wants, as long as he's not bothering anyone too much. I feel so aimless-- like I'm just pulling him away from various objects (curtains, tablecloths, furniture) all the time and telling him off and stuffing toys in his mouth and I just don't know how sustainable this is. I know lots of people who have had puppies and they seemed to raise them so effortlessly. I asked one how they dealt with the biting and they looked at me quizzically. "Our dogs never did that." Talking about puppy schedules, crate training, etc?? Most people off of this sub seem to be clueless about most things puppy, so how is everyone getting such lovely dogs if they didn't put the time in when they were puppies? I've seen person after person whose dog doesn't even know "sit" or "down" but yet they trust their dog to be alone for 6+ hours a day roaming free in the house.

I originally crate trained my puppy, but after a huge setback where he had to be in the crate for 6+ hours in the car he won't touch it even if food and treats are inside, and I'm not one to make him go in there. He just sleeps wherever he wants and I put him in an expen when he's fallen asleep and I am fine with that. Call me terrible, downvote or whatever but I don't think crate training is in our stars.

TLDR: Don't get me wrong I love this little bugger with all my heart but I can't see this getting better under any circumstances. How will he entertain himself when he is grown? He is always getting into trouble, crying at me, asking for something or barking. What do adult dogs even do? All I can imagine is him twice as big as he is currently, barking like a maniac and pulling the tablecloths off of the tables and destroying furniture. People tell me "it gets better" but how? How do people own dogs and not have to watch them every second of their lives to make sure they aren't getting into trouble? How do people leave their dogs to roam around the home, alone, for complete work days?

Posted Mar 12, 2019, 3:50 AM UTC

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Oldmanneck•

I asked one how they dealt with the biting and they looked at me quizzically. "Our dogs never did that."

This is a flat out lie.

There's not a single dog that did not bite as a puppy. Biting is how they explore, it's how they play and it's their primary means of interacting and learning about the environment around them. Whoever told you this either did not have their dogs as puppies, or were just lying for whatever reason.

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BootsieOakes•

Or they got an older puppy. We didn't have biting issues with our terrier mix (now almost 3), we got him at around 4 months. He was teething and chewed up some shoes and other things, but never bit at our hands. Completely different with our current puppy that we got at 9 weeks. He's also an Aussie/Golden mix which are both mouthy breeds so that is probably part of it too, though I will also say around 4 months the biting went WAY down.

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floofernautOP•

I think that is likely to be the case. At 4 months our Golden is so much less bitey than when he was smaller. It's honestly a matter of weeks or a month or two so it's possible that you get an older puppy that is already pretty much through the worst of his biting phase, while still being a puppy through and through.

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rozes10•

I think people on this sub are def on the more extreme end of training, etc. And I agree most people I've met in the real world are like "Whoa you spend a lot of time doing training with your dog." For me, it's mostly self preservation - I don't want to have to clean up poop/pee inside, i don't want my furniture/rugs/whatever wrecked, and I really want a good companion for the future for therapeutic reasons (both me and for community service). I also live in a very dog-friendly city so want my pup to be able to go places with me. Would he have grown up to be a good dog? Yeah, he probably would've been fine. BUT, I don't know that and as a neurotic control-freak, I wasn't going to leave that chance lol. Your paying attention to the puppy so closely is probably saving a lot of chews/clothes/other things from being eaten.

I think most pups do turn out okay and calm down and I think as long as the pup matches your lifestyle/expectations it's probably fine! The training is to reinforce so when pups become dogs they don't have bad habits to fall back on. I always see stuff where a grown dog has ripped apart furniture or gotten into toilet paper or knocked over a garbage can because he/she was bored so I'm pretty sure dogs are still destroying things, people just don't talk about it. To each his/her own. I think anyone who told you their puppy didn't 'bite' or whatever is full of shit and probably forgot what it was like. Heck, I even forget some days and I'm like "aww puppies" when I see them..but then the nightmare comes back and I remember how deep I was into the blues.

My puppy is 6 months now, and i remember between 4-6 months, it was definitely rough. I'm gearing up for adolescence but we've had a string of good days where my pup has been chill and really good so I'm seeing glimpses of what he'll be when he's out of crazy puppy mode. I think of it as an investment - even though it's insanely exhausting/expensive at the moment, I'm starting to see it pay off when my pup is out and about.

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hang in there! it sounds like you're doing great and just need a break - definitely put him in the playpen and take some time for yourself once in awhile :)

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floofernautOP•

Thank you so much for the reassurance-- this is pretty much what I needed to hear! Unfortunately, my puppy has definitely found his bark. He is big into demand barking and it seems to be self gratifying-- ignoring it doesn't make it stop, at all-- and he hates being confined to a playpen, or wherever...

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rozes10•

yeahh barking is super annoying! have you tried treating for calm? i.e. put him in there, and when he's quiet (even for a millisecond), throw some treats in there. It'll take a little bit but at some point, the pups tend to figure out that quiet = good stuff happens. Even if you do this for a few min a day and work up, it might help.

my pup hates being confined as well - crate, x-pen, whatever but he'll tolerate it if I give him something more interesting to focus on (a really good chew/treat/toy). Unfortunately, my lil dude isn't super treat/food motivated - his #1 reward is attention so it makes it harder.

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floofernautOP•

Our little guy is the same!!! He LOVES attention way too much, over any treat or toy.... he will gladly abandon all his toys in the x-pen to bark and plead at us to come let him out, after which he'll pretty much be our shadow and follow us everywhere. Weirdly enough he is absolutely fine when we have to go somewhere and everyone has left the house, he settles down quickly in a small room we use to confine him when we're gone, and plays with his toys or falls alseep (we have a baby camera that we repurposed for him).

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btweber25•

I have just been through all of this with our now 2.5 yo Golden. I hate to say it, but you still have a while before it gets better. It DOES get better and you don't have to be a perfect trainer/owner to make it happen. Part of the 'it gets better' is that you and your pup grow together: the stuff that you really care about you'll keep to with the training, and he will learn it, and some stuff you worry about now you'll relax about, you find a balance. BUT, you've still got a ways to go. Our Golden got way better at biting after teething, he got way better at behavior and chewing and just being a jerk after his teenager 7-8 months old phase, at a year we were finally able to leave him home alone uncrated and trust him not to destroy the house, and at about 18 months his endless energy and need for hours of play peaked. At 2 now, he wants a walk and some play in the morning, lays around until dinnertime at 5, wants another walk and play time and then is out for the night.

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nikkoLV•

My dog calmed down after 2 years. Give your puppy time to our grow the extra energy. It will be worth your time.

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eatyourkibble•

Our pup is 6 months old now. When our pup turned 5 months he can be basically left alone in the living room. He'd nap/play/do puppy things in there alone, no problem. He also sleeps in the living room at night uncrated and never wakes us up. We still have problems when I leave the house (he goes nuts), but he's okay being in separate rooms, which is heaven. I used to sit all day in the living room with him when he was younger. Always had to keep my eyes on him, supervise, etc. So yeah it does get better. I'm not as rigorous with training either. I've taught my pup the basics - sit, down, paw, stay, come (although recall needs more practice outdoors!). I'm dealing with separation anxiety now, as well as leash pulling. It needs effort, and some days I don't have enough patience/endurance. I do give him short surprise training sessions during the day that last like 5-10 minutes, then we play tug or fetch for 10 minutes. Make sure you give your pup a nice walk or two daily, he'll be happy, content and tired and he'll be resting for hours :-) It does get better, and the more time you spend to train your pup, the sooner it gets better. Do you have toys or treats that can keep him busy? You can give him those so he doesn't get bored alone. Our pup loves anything that squeaks.

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BootsieOakes•

This and other dog forums remind me of parenting boards - there is really a lot of pressure to do all these things perfectly, like you will ruin your dog/kid if you mess something up! But in real life I don't think I know any perfectly trained, always well behaved dogs and they are still good family pets. I do think training is important but it doesn't have to take over your life.

We had two Goldens that we got as older dogs (a year and 3 years) and they were fine in the house. With our first one that we got at 3 my husband and I both worked full time and she stayed in the yard during the day. For some reason that is frowned upon here, but she was fine and happy and got lots of walks and attention when we got home and on weekends. I'm Ok with leaving my current dogs outside in the yard for a bit as well to get a break - they play, lay in the sun, explore... (fenced, no extreme weather here in NorCal, no predators, etc.)

Do what you can and don't think you have to be perfect at everything, I can't say for sure when your puppy will get easier but it will happen and he will just become a part of the family.

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floofernautOP•

Thank you :)

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OolongerAgility•

My six month old can potter around by herself now while I drink tea and mess around on Reddit. I still try to be aware of what she’s doing, but the pressure to watch like a hawk is behind us. It will get better!
My senior dog crates himself and entertains himself and I never have to give him a second thought indoors if I don’t want to. All dogs get there eventually.

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AStaxx14•

I can’t leave my dog to roam my house because he’ll destroy everything, he’s a vindictive bugger, and all of my friends classify me as the person that spends way too much time training him so don’t worry about that. The thing that has REALLY helped my dog relax (just turned 1yr) is taking him for a daily walk that’s at least 30 minutes. I wish I had realized how much it helps sooner, people really aren’t kidding when they say that puppies act out when they’re not exercised/mentally stimulated enough. Since giving him that time every day for exercise and letting him get out of the house he not only listens better which makes training easier, but he spends more time content to just chill with me. I can’t stress enough how big of a change it made for my dog, it’s like I had a different dog within a week of starting the daily walks.

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floofernautOP•

He gets his walks alright! At LEAST 2x a day for at least 20 min each walk. The walks definitely do help, we don't notice exactly how MUCH they help until we have a day where we can't/don't walk him and he goes absolutely batshit insane. He is much more manageable when he has his exercise.

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writingworks2New Owner :NewOwner:•

I made a puppy safe room and after excersise I put her in there alone. It's nice because it gives me a break. We have been practicing her waiting in there alone a lot. And it's a great place to limit what she can chew. My human bed is in there too so I can spend lots of time with her where she can't chew bad things and I don't have to pay attention and I'm still comfy and of course her toys are All over the place in there

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floofernautOP•

We also have that puppy safe room, small and cosy for him. When he is in there though he just barks nonstop.

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writingworks2New Owner :NewOwner:•

You can practice having him wait and then quickly leave and come back and treat. If he barks and you let him out then he knows all he has to do is bark to get out

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writingworks2New Owner :NewOwner:•

My family did such an unorganized chaotic job raising the dog I grew up with and she turned out a sweetheart. She didn't listen to much but she never got in trouble. Your putting way more into your dog then we did

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writingworks2New Owner :NewOwner:•

Might want to talk to a dog trainer but sounds like you are doing great

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floofernautOP•

Thanks-- we are starting puppy obedience school this Saturday in fact!

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Thirrin•

I worry that I'm not as rigorous about training as most of the people on this sub, and that the "it gets better" maxim is reserved only for those people.

I feel this sooo hard and have had the exact same thought. I have ADHD and have never been consistent or thorough in anything in my life, ever. And I can tell you, my baby girl still got better, and faster than I expected with my pessimistic outlook. It's not getting better it's not getting better I missed that, I didn't reinforce this, I accidentally reinforced that, etc etc, and then suddenly oh, actually she is a bit better at this, or hasn't done one minor thing in a little while. The other night she laid down in the middle of the kitchen with me quietly while I cooked and I nearly cried because it reminded me of my parent's old, docile german shepherd that I grew up with whose favorite activity was sleeping somewhere in the way.

I didn't rush her into crate training and used an xpen as a crate for the first few weeks. have you tried putting him down for naps in there to get some peace? I know you put him in there sometimes after he's asleep, but you could do something similar to putting them down in a crate to force a settle. we had hers in a dark, quiet room with a big old jean pillow that we didn't care if she messed up and just left her with some chews for an hour or two and she'd whine a bit and then nap or chew. Now she's adjusting to the crate well and we are using that more because she did have accidents in the xpen, but it worked well enough.

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floofernautOP•

This was SO reassuring to hear. We have a small, dark, quiet room similar to what you describe, and he has a big soft blanket in there and some toys. When we know he's really tired, sometimes we can pop him in there and he will settle right down, but other times he'll go crazy and scratch the door so much that we have to let him out.

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gabbers2380•

This is literally exactly how I felt w my golden pup. I was mentally exhausted and drained everyday cus I’d have such an eagle eye on him. One of my friends gave me some good advice, to just let him roam and try to relax. He’s not going to die. Lol once I stopped watching him every single second I felt a little better. I’d gate off a smaller area of the house like kitchen or living room and let him roam and play while I did my own thing. My puppy is now 7 mo and can entertain himself for a decent amount of time if he’s gotten enough exercise. He loves chewing up water bottles (rips off the wrapper, tries to get the cap off, then gets the little ring part off). I’ll just check on him every so often to make sure he doesn’t eat something.

I’d say overall around 5 months though I could relax and watch tv while he did his own thing, even if for a little bit. Also around the same time I noticed the biting and nipping stopped. Hang in there!! It gets better! I work 10-5 and come home for an hour or two lunch mid day. I crate him when I’m gone, but give lots of exercise in the morning and night. I know you mentioned not doing crate training but it truly is a lifesaver. I was able to enforce naps and have some alone time which helped my sanity. I have a friend who didn’t immediately crate train and let her dog wander while at work and she’d come home to accidents pretty frequently - so maybe those people you talk to are just ok with picking up the mess.

If he’s traumatized by the crate it’s understandable he won’t just walk in, even for food or a treat. I don’t think many puppies will walk in right from the get go. If you do decide to give it another shot I’d recommend starting small (there’s a great guide in the sidebar), with just a few treats around the crate/out in front. And slowly work up from there

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