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We need a General Election

None of this "People's Vote" bullshit that makes me cringe at how false and dishonest the idea is.

Now that the backstabbing and chaos has reached a new high, our MPs are in such turmoil with barely a scrap of something to agree on.

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There are significant issues that make me think this:

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  1. Brexit voters are being betrayed by the remain MPs in the cabinet and May's flawed and disgraceful approach to negotiation; these voters have little no no-one in parliament that is fighting their battle, other than the apparent "hardliner brexiteers". I'll say it again, the current trajectory is a gross betrayal.
  2. The parties are so split that swathes of MPs on both Labour & Conservative have either resigned or joined the Independent Group; leaving a cabinet that may not actually represent the voter's opinion fairly
  3. The only way to get strong direction is by giving the people a vote on _who_ runs parliament, whether that's by majority or a hung parliament (and thus a coaliton). Parliament is so fractured it cannot agree on anything. So stop the madness.

I still vehemontly want us to leave the EU. As a brexit voter I desperately want independence from a higher power, and to reduce the power footprint that an [un]elected political class has over our country and its people. As it stands, this cannot be achieved with May's Government.

Posted Mar 14, 2019, 1:37 PM UTC · edited

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flippin116•

Brexiteers aren’t being any more betrayed than those who voted Remain. We’re all being equally shafted by the omnishambolic group of muppets in the House of Commons.

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atcOP•

I disagree.

With the resignations and ignoring the whips, the remain/Brexit ratio is skewed.

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JammotescentMcBergerist•

Guess what bud. It's a representative democracy. MP's are compelled to act as they feel is best for the country even when that goes against the wishes of an uninformed electorate.

The uninformed electorate chose Brexit when all the experts said this was a bad idea. MP's know that Brexit is terrible for the country and are acting accordingly.

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atcOP•

That's not how the world works. If you're an "expert" it doesn't mean you can "predict the future". Mark Carney predicted doom and drastic measures that he resolved with one tweak post referendum.

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> when that goes against the wishes of an uninformed electorate.

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Do you have any idea how arrogant that sounds?

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VelarTAGpost Brexit City State of London•

Do you have any idea how arrogant that sounds?

Matters not. It is completely accurate.

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flippin116•

Perhaps it’s indicative of a shift of feeling in the country, and gives a more honest representation of the”will of the people” as it currently stands.

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VelarTAGpost Brexit City State of London•

Completely represents the country then. 37% voted leave, 63% didn't.

Why should the paranoid fantasies of a minority ruin everyone else's life?

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EtchyTWA•

you are quite correct in this estimation

the HoC is very definitely NOT 52/48 in favour of leaving the EU its more like 20/80 leave/remain

Mays deal is remaining on worse terms and the Mp's don't like it because its still too much like actually leaving the Eu.

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bevans1965•

I think a GE would only result in a hung parliament again, so it would be interesting to see what coalition, if any, forms.

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Voops1•

Probably the same, Tories just need to send another payment to the DUP offices.

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bevans1965•

It’s hard to even call this a coalition at this point haha, and what if the tories lose seats, meaning another Tory-DUP coalition wouldn’t reach 326?

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PoachTWC•

Yet another GE. If a government can't form, we'd go back to the polls.

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OldTenner🚩|🌹|🌍 the official spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn, apparently•

Absolutely. When the Government consistently loses votes, they should call one.

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PaimonsCamel•

It would result in a hung parliament which would be even more paralysed, if possible. Which would result in another GE and the same result ad infinitum.

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dode74•

GE is not a single issue vote. We do need one, but after brexit is cancelled ;)

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Computer_User_01•

I think what we'll get is a referendum on May's Deal vs Remain alongside at least a year long extension to A50.

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atcOP•

May's deal is only relevant until we agree a free trade deal right? WTF would they agree a trade deal with us after this? There's no chance they'll do it as they want control of the UK.

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Voops1•

I still don't understand why JC wants another GE, they are way behind and Tories won't allow TM to run again meaning they will have a Brexiteer PM to contend with.

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redrhyski-5.13, -4.67, Observer of Arcane Procedures•

It's pretty much his duty to gain power for his voters.

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Voops1•

I get that, but surely you wait till the time is right, and the polls just don't show it is the right time.

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atcOP•

The polls are never going to be right. JC will never win a GE.

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atcOP•

Every time I watch the votes he stands up and spouts some predictable shit, ends with shouting and sits down. He reminds me of the weird old drunk guy in the corner of the pub that everyone ignores.

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Saw_Boss•

Only they didn't ignore him in the 2017 election, did they. Corbyn certainly didn't win, but he prevented the Tories from being allowed to run brexit however they liked. In terms of popular vote, he was only 2.4% behind the Tories.

I would not bet on anything right now.

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atcOP•

lmao

Only a Corbyn supporter would be proud of losing 😅😂😂🤣😙☺️

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Saw_Boss•

Only a Corbyn supporter would be proud of losing

Yeah, sure. I'm a Corbyn supporter now. First I've heard of it.

But thanks for letting me know.

You tit.

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EtchyTWA•

https://i.imgur.com/CouwQva.jpg

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atcOP•

xD perfect

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iloomynazi"Metropolitan Elitist"•

And we’ll get another hung parliament and still no consensus in Parliament.

A referendum on the deal vs Remain is the only option that breaks the deadlock decisively.

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scotsgraeme•

Why, so we can have the tories give us hard brexit or labour give us hard brexit? both sides have a brexit plan that gives the same outcome. We need to get it over with, one way or another, with the tories taking the flack for stuffing it up this badly, and THEN a general election.

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atcOP•

All this extension nonsense solves nothing. We just have to leave without a deal. It ain't pretty but there's nothing to be done.

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VelarTAGpost Brexit City State of London•

I thought you were concerned about democracy?

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atcOP•

?

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VelarTAGpost Brexit City State of London•

Leave with no deal is not supported by anything like the majority of the electorate.

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cantell0•

The betrayal started with the Leave battlebus and campaign. How many lies does it take to be called a betrayal?

However I agree that a GE is needed, not just to (perhaps) produce a working majority for one side or the other, but also to give us all a chance to get rid of those MPs who have shown themselves to be so stupid they can barely stumble along (eg Scott Mann, Emma Dent Coad, David Tredinnick), those MPs too venal to remain (eg; Vaz and Johnson, Jared O'Mara) and those too lazy to do their jobs (eg; Anne Milton, Roger Godsiff). And that is without listing the utterly useless who have engineered the current farce. We may not get rid of them all but at least we could start with a GE.

And the obvious cases (Grayling and Abbott) will, perhaps, remain as a dreadful reminder to their parties of selecting the wrong people.

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