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Eyadish

What is the community stance on RL inviting people that pay for Jaina, without telling anyone else?

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Joined a HC Jaina run with an "Experienced multikill raidleader". When there was just a few dps spots left he whispered me the below conversation.

https://i.imgur.com/8unR0xc.png

Are people fine with this kind of behaviour? Isn't selling runs for gold getting out of hand? I know I have one in my guild who sells boost runs in M+10 and then invites random people, where they have no clue about what is happening. Obviously it seems to happen in raids too.

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I don't mind that guilds or full groups sells boost, so that everyone is in on it and is getting paid. But using random people, who get nothing for it. Wtf guys?

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Am I in the wrong to think like this?

Posted Apr 6, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

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Deirakos:horde:•

I think most people are against selling runs with "unvoluntary acomplices". For one if they help carrying someone, they deserve a share. As a second point: when i buy a service i'd want to get through wipeless and "ragequit"-less which is not guaranteed with unknowing carry groups.

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EyadishOP•

That is what I thought too, but when I told everyone in the raid chat, no one seemed to care. Even got a reply like "Only 1 person getting boosted wont matter"

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Deirakos:horde:•

Probably too afraid to speak up and get kicked.

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Tyneic:horde::shaman:•

I dislike boosting one person without telling the others a lot.

I remember back when Argus HC was still a thing, pugs were often at 29/30 for quite a while before being filled with a genuinely undergeared person with no achievements. I always called these things out and left the group, but the behavior of "stealth selling" or whatever is the most disgusting I've seen in a while.

I don't mind boosting or being boosted, as long as everyone involved is aware. I despise people who behave like this "raidlead".

I love to join groups that have a description such as "helping a friend" or similar because in that case, the raidlead is being honest and that's behaviour that needs to be encouraged.

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EyadishOP•

I don't mind boosting or being boosted, as long as everyone involved is aware. I despise people who behave like this "raidlead".

I agree to 100% to this. I do kinda dislike boosting in a way beacuse it creates a false record of what you have completed, but I am still fine with it. It's done on everyones terms.

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Tyneic:horde::shaman:•

I don't think anybody believes this behaviour is acceptable. Not even the buyers. I personally think it should be punishable when reported, but I am pretty sure it is not. Perhaps asking through a blue and reporting them using a ticket anyway might shed some light, or perhaps yield results.

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Kaqau•

Isn't selling runs for gold getting out of hand?

Yea something thats been in the game for over a decade is getting out of hand...

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EyadishOP•

To me knowledge, please correct me if I am wrong, is that selling runs with gold have always existed. But this new version of it, that I've seen before only in M+, but now also in raids, where the leader of the group sells the run for gold, and invites random people, who knows nothing and gains nothing from the selling, that part feels new to me. NOT WITH PREMADE GROUPS WHERE EVERYONE AGREE ON SELLING THE RUN, AND SPLITTING THE GOLD.

If that have existed before, it's gone unnoticed from my side.

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Jbeasty•

100% not new at all. Became much more rampant with the premade group finder added in WoD. Especially in the last tier, HFC, which was probably the most cancerous time I have ever tried to pug. That was back when ML was standard too. 100x better now thats gone. On an OT side note, I still laugh at the people that thought pugs would not exist in Legion due to PL...

This is just a guess, but the overall expansion is performing similarly to WoD so far, so less than ethical practices such as using unpaid pugs for boosting are more prominent. I am not raiding outside of LFR currently, so that is just a suspicion to be taken lightly.

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ViennaLager•

Sold quite a lot of runs in vanilla at least.

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EyadishOP•

Did you create PUG groups in vanilla and sold the run later?

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-Lavish-•

It exists in every type of PuG from what I've seen, including the first boss in BoD on mythic difficulty. It's immoral, sure, but it's not illegal, so there will always be people doing it.

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Kaqau•

I mean, the whole point of the run is to sell carry’s without others knowing. If you knew this was a thing, then people wouldn’t be able to do it now would they?

It has been a thing for awhile. Especially with last bosses. As long as the boss dies everyone is happy.

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EyadishOP•

Well gone unnoticed by me then. But you cant say that this have been going on for a decade.

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Kaqau•

I mean...it has. Can’t say you don’t know about it till now and then also say how long it’s been going.

You just found out today this thing happens. I don’t think you’re in the right spot to say when it started.

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Xynth22:demonhunter:•

Selling kills is fine, but only if the entire group is okay with it and get their share of the cut if they want it. What this guy is trying to do is just shitty.

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Owlbread:alliance::druid:•

Not just you, I don’t like being asked to carry complete strangers by complete strangers. I left a PuG once because they wanted us to carry their team without telling us and I thought that was uncool.

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Icemeltd•

If it's at least a partial guild run, and they only have like 2 sales out of ~25 people, I think that's fine, assuming their guild members are competent players, they can carry dead-weigh. If the group is a complete pug, and the leader is the only one, or the guild is just bad, then that's scummy, and you should leave. There's no reason to get up in arms, spamming raid chat, whispering everyone going "Guys, leave, there is a carry here", I would say it once, then either stay or leave.

I'm not at all the type of person to pug my carry groups, but sometimes when I would do a guild run, someone would find us a carry, then I'd pug like a healer or something from LFG because I know we're going to clear it with or without the pug, so an extra healer would make it safe if the fight has to go slightly longer. Then the one or two people I pugged (invited them just because alot of people complain that they don't get invited w/o having aotc or whatever) start to cry about the 2 carries when I have 20 guildies + 2 carries + 2 pugs. Kinda counter-productive, read the room I guess is what i'm trying to say.

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EyadishOP•

When I joined the group, there was only 1 other person expect for me and the leader in the group. Everyone else was picked from the group finder to my knowledge. 99.9% it wasn't a guild group.

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In the situation you told with 95% majority guild run, I would say it's fine

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DraikoGinger•

Where’s my cut?

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EA_Forum_Moderator•

As long as the boss dies most people are fine with it, and a good portion of people don't even notice.

It's way more rampant in M+.

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