IAF Press Briefing on F 16: IAF Gives Radar, AWACS Proof of Pakistan’s F-16 Shot Down on 27 February
thequint.com/news/india/indian-air-force-pres...Posted Apr 8, 2019, 12:55 PM UTC
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That's really stretching the definition of irrefutable evidence.
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Not to be seen in isolation.
Eye witnesses from Indian Army ground forces.
Initial statements from the Pakistani Armed forces confirming 3 pilots down.
Multiple eye witness accounts from the Pakistani side and you really need to understand what multiple is.First,the video footage of Abhinand being aptured where Armymen ask the crowd where is the second pilot and the crowd answers the direction loudly and in unison.Two,a interview from an eye witness account in Pakistani newspaper Dawn.Last, a video of an old man saying two planes falling down,including descriptions of the pilots, one which didn't match with Abhinandan
There are also two distinct footage of planes being downed.
Here are the video sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28zkCei4kbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkxbP9aqZo&feature=youtu.be at 2:19
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No crash site and the IAF tried to pass off a Mig 21 piece as an F-16 part. No bueno.
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IAF didn't do anything like that.
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Eye witnesses from Indian Army ground forces.
Great evidence
Multiple eye witness accounts from the Pakistani side and you really need to understand what multiple is.First,the video footage of Abhinand being aptured where Armymen ask the crowd where is the second pilot and the crowd answers the direction loudly and in unison.Two,a interview from an eye witness account in Pakistani newspaper Dawn.Last, a video of an old man saying two planes falling down,including descriptions of the pilots, one which didn't match with Abhinandan
The planes supposedly didn’t fall down in one spot
The analyses video you showed are not only from an Indian biased channel, it also shows no second second
There’s not a single pictorial evidence of a second jet that’s reliable, and if Foreign Policy is to be believed, all f16s have been counted
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"Supposedly from an Indian channel"
Like that refutes the videos.Mute the analysis and see for yourself geez.
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The video shows one jet falling and still shows no real evidence
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Of course, why will you believe iaf? Only ghafoora is speaking the truth when he said 2 pilots has been captured and one is admitted into hospital. Later Immy Bhai spoken the same truth on live TV.
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Why are you Indians so stuck on that considering India hasn’t released a shred of credibility since the whole debacle started since Balakot? Backtracking is one thing, claiming stuff that never happened, even according to outsiders, and maintaining it by saying that it’s sensitive info so they can’t release it.
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Saar I'm not asking you to believe Indians. And who will believe evil Indians? I'm asking you to take some faith in ghafoora. He is Messiah of truth. When he said that no f 16 has been used but after showing proof he backtracked. But that was one off and you have to forgive him for that. Later he claimed 2 pilots has been captured and one is in hospital. Even handsome Immy Bhai confirm the same thing on live TV. So just keep your faith in them and no matter what, don't believe evil hindoooos.
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I used to believe the Pak fauj but can’t do it anymore after irrefutable evidence.
Especially after this brave journo: https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/bagc7u/leaked_info_by_pakistani_journalist_exposes_porki/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
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YEAH EXACTLY THESE FUCKING PORKIS ! LYING ALL THE TIME
ID SOONER TRUST TWITTER AND YT VIDEOS RATHER THEN FP PENTAGON CORRESPONDENTS AND LACK F WRECKAGE !
PROOF FURNISHED BY INDIANS GOVT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ENTIRE WORLD INCLUDING FP WAP NYT ISPR AND COMMON FUCKING SENSE
NO WRECKAGE NO PROB OBVIOUSLY PORKIS HID IT BY COVERING IT WITH A TRAMPOLINE !
Jai Hind !👌👌👌👌👌😍😍😍😍😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚 Break Porkistan🤢🤢 into 4 pieshes ! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
See you all next year when India is a super power !
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YEAH EXACTLY THESE FUCKING PORKIS ! LYING ALL THE TIME
arry saar apni tareef kyo kar rhe ho
Break Porkistan🤢🤢 into 4 pieshes
Inshallah
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arry saar apni tareef kyo kar rhe ho
DNT EVA ACCUSE AN INDIAN THIER AIR FORCE OR THEIR GOVT OF LYING YOU ANTI NASHI NAL PORKI DICK SUCKER !
Inshallah
2020 IS NEAR THEN WE SPRING OUR TRAP MOHAHA AND THIS TIME WE WNT DOWN OUW OWN MI 17 AND LOSE OUR PILOT THEN CRI PLZ GIBB BACK OUR PILOT PORKIS 😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒
OH NO THIS TIME WE SOLVE PORKI PROBLEM ONCE E AND FOR ALL !
😍😍😍😍JAI HIND 😍😍😍😍😘😘😘
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This might be a dumb question, but can someone explain the significance of this incident?
I mean, India and Pakistan are kinda-sorta at war, but I don't entirely understand what the conflict here is or why new articles keep coming out over it. (And obviously google has a terrible signal/noise ratio on something like this).
Can someone link an overview or some such?
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Election season in India, the current government run on "strong nationalism". But the whole series of event since 2.14 of 2019, which included get boomed in its own territory, lacking of military personnel moment, 2 week long planning to strick back which gave Pak enough time to prepare, missed the target that can be empty, get its mig 21 shot down, claiming killed over 200 offer no evidence, and, one Mi17 may shout down by friendly fire killed 7 then black box "missing", claiming F16 shot down with no decisive evidence, had shown that how India is unprepared militarily and lack of deterrence against Pakistan. After the dog fight when India thought itself can't punish the Pakistan and has to ask American check if Pak had violated the deal between the US and Pak so that America can "punish" it. The most important point is election season in India, for the "nationalist" BJP party and the whole India, last two months have been so rough, they are trying to claim some win and let go.
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What happened to your alt da da?
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Why u Indians assume only Pakistani make fun of you guys? I think that da da guy is a Pakistani, I am so tired of Indian and Pakistanis dog fighting over the dog fight
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Da da is chinese and so are you.
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To be as neutral as possible,IAF carried out air strikes inside Pakistan,allegedly a deep incursion.Pakistan says they didn't hit the target.Next day Pakistan carries out retaliation.Pakistan says it was just a show of strength.India says it was intended to hit Indian military targets and they restricted PAF to shallow border hugging incursions.Pakistan says it was a small strike Package.India says it was a big one comprising of a bulk of their F-16s.One IAF pilot gets shot down over the other side of the border.Pakistan announces it has more Indian pilots in custody,one being treated at their military hospitals.India alleges it shot down one of the F16s.Pakistan comes out later and says it has only one pilot in custody and returns him as a peace gesture.
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India wants to be a superpower but got militarily pushed back by Pakistan.
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To quote u/Bernard_Woolley
Is this one of those “keep repeating a lie and it becomes a truth” things? It doesn’t seem to be working.
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Yeah, that was an... interesting take on it.
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Honestly, if you're genuinely a neutral, wait a few months or until things settle down to ask people's opinions.
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If only Indians had the self awareness to apply the same sage saying to thier F-16 claim oh nooo thens its Ghafoora Liar Porki Lara Sigelman is an ISI agent India number 1
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Indian logic:
Eyewitnesses saw multiple parachutes coming down. Then DG ISPR also said he had 2 pilots. The probability of both of them making the same mistake is very very low. Add the radar imagery to this, and the evidence is irrefutable.
Pakistani logic:
B-b-but sources said so
Also, here's another thing that sources said:
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Of course. The year is 2019, not 2020.
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someone explain the significance of this incident?
Forces love to wear their kills.
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Anti-Indian militant (terrorist) cells operate in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and surrounding regions. Most likely they are funded by Pakistan and their main stated aim is to push India out of Kashmir. In response India clamps down on the Kashmiri locals, which pushes more to join the militant cells, which prompts India to clamp down harder, and so on.
A suicide bomber trained by one of these cells carried out an attack on an Indian military convoy.
In response, India bombed a hill in Kashmir used as a base for this particular militant cell. They missed, but as it's hard to miss by the extent they did with Spice bombs, many say it was deliberate in order to send a message whilst managing the risk of escalation.
The incident was a while ago now and I haven't been following it much since it happened, but 2 Indian planes were shot down, and there has been some debate over whether a Pakistani plane was shot down. India says it was, Pak say it wasn't, but it's an American-made F-16 so it's quite important whether it was. A pilot was captured and returned to India signifying the end of the crisis and scoring a political victory for Pakistan.
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could be a decoy. Question is does PAF F16 have them?
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MALDs?Lmao,not likely in any way.
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Hmm. Static image of a radar track vs no crash wreckage of F-16 and US already counting all Pakistani F-16s and none missing.
The IAF needs to work on it's analysis capabilities.
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Exactly. Radar track + radio intercepts + visual sightings + multiple Pak claims of two pilots in custody
... versus ...
An American journalist citing anonymous sources.
I know whom I believe. The anon sources from a Pentagon that lied about WMDs in Iraq and provided zero proof of OBL's assassination are definitely more credible.
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You crash wreckage is hard to come by considering it allegedly fell on the Pakistani side and then Pakistani government promptly banned internet in the region for a month.
And U.S. hasn't confirmed anything,it's basically two sources against each other at this point.Both stories haven't been refuted by the U.S. government at this point.
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Lol, nothing is banned other then Kashmiris trying to use the main highway in Indian occupied Kashmir.
Pictures of the crashed Mig were out on social media even before Pakistani official statement.
I literally trust a US magazine with unnamed DoD sources more than Indian air Force.
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nothing is banned other then Kashmiris trying to use the main highway in Indian occupied Kashmir.
And journalist from the entirety of Indian occupied Kashmir.
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You realise with every lie of yours you bring down your own credibility right? Not that it's a lesson that even Pakistani Army knows.
From Pakistani sources:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1470317
Also they aren't even allowing former Pakistani Amry officials now to speak on TV.
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Yeah, that's great. The US counted the F-16s and none are missing. Your excuses are nice but reality is what it is.
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“Mobile services suspended for 10km along the LOC”, Sabz Kot (where IAF claims it fell) is over 30km away from the LOC.
For your second post, not related, and also they’re not allowed to call themselves Pakistani military analysts.
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If the internet was banned, why do we have internet footage of the Indian pilot getting his ass beat
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And not to mention foreign vloggers like Drew Binsky were in Azad Kashmir a few weeks ago as well, posting from there, if you search hashtags of muzaffarabad or azadkashmir or neelumvalley or mirpur or any other spot on instagram, twitter and Facebook you will find consistent posts from locals.
All these cities have a very large presence on twitter and Instagram
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This is in addition to:
*Multiple eyewitness accounts
*Back tracking of DG ISPR
*The sightings and the time of the aircraft (and parachutes), match up with the electronic signatures from the IAF radars.
This article by Sameer Joshi comprehensively summarises this and all the other evidence that conclusively proves IAF claims.
This is not really a big deal for Indians, similar scenarios have already been played out in 71 and 99. But this is the first time this has happened since internet became ubiquitous, so hopefully mango Pakistanis will wake up and smell the coffee.
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No crashed F-16. ☹️
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Fell in PoK 😘
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"Fell in PoK", much like "entire militant base was destroyed"? Or "Fell in PoK" like "No Indian aircraft were lost"? Or is it "Fell in PoK" like "we totally didn't just shoot down our own helo"? Or "Fell in PoK" like "see this missile still attached to the downed MiG-21? That's what we used to shoot down the F-16!"?
Because this... this is just 2 still images of a radar track. What if the F-16 was illuminated by the MiG-21, hit the deck in evasive maneuvers, and dropped off the radar because the AWACS lost tracking amongst ground clutter, and reappeared afterwards, in data that's being omitted? It's not like the IAF hasn't lied nonstop about everything that's happened, and it's not like Modi doesn't have political reasons to force them to lie on his behalf...
Sorry, but every CREDIBLE piece of evidence says;
- India's mission against the camps failed miserably
- India lost a MiG-21
- India shot down their own helicopter
- India failed to down any enemy aircraft
But, nationalism is running STRONG here, so logic has gone out the window for moronic rhetoric sadly. I originally believed India, but they've quite frankly, lost all credibility on this event, what with being caught by independent parties in their blatant non stop lies 😘
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Believe what you want man. Nobody cares anymore. Indians are getting tiring to listen to.
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PakBots before electromagnetic evidence:
Ghazwa-e-Hind ho ke rahega, PAF will ride flying donkeys to Delhi and Mumbai and nuke all the kuffars
PakBots after electromagnetic evidence:
Believe what you want man. Nobody cares anymore.
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Can I just make a suggestion to this sub? Can we stop posting anything about this dog fight until a solid conclusion come out a third party like the US? I am so tired of seeing that few people fighting 🤦
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So you wont believe ghafoora when he said 2 pilots , one captured and one in hospital, on live tv? IAF is not making this up. Even immy bhai went on live tv and said the same thing.
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Look I don't care which country had final laugh here. India knows it lost the dog fight and trying to claim a win and let go, Pakistani also know they won the dig fight and not letting go. I can understand. The thing the whole sub is full of people fighting over this🤦, I am tired.
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Array Saar ofcoure you are tired. This much is expected.
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Why don't you ignore it then? Nobody is forcing you to open the thread and read the comments. Bitch somewhere else.
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I can think of a million "bahanas" and BS claims the Pakistani side can come up with, but at this point, its obvious what happened.
Claim 1: PAF has jammers/EW
Prove where PAF has any sort of high power L Band jammer & how these didn't work all the while and only when F-16 disappeared
Claim2: PAF aircraft dipped into the terrain and vanished
Phalcon is designed to pick up low flying aircraft against ground clutter & in heavy EW conditions
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/phalcon.htm
This electronically steered beam radar delivers a tremendous advantage over mechanical rotating antenna, as it supports the tracking a high maneuvering targets. The radar can detect even low flying objects from distances of hundreds of kilometers, day and night, under all weather conditions. Verification beams sent at specific, individual, newly detected targets eliminate false alarms. Moreover, track initiation is achieved in 2 to 4 seconds as compared to 20 to 40 seconds with a rotodome radar
But still wont convince them.
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The article doesn't have images.Here are the images.
https://imgur.com/a/pWZM4W1