PPB shorthanded due to 'City Council anti-cop sentiment'
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koin.comPosted Apr 8, 2019, 8:46 PM UTC
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koin.com"We'd have more officers if we could recruit from the Patriot Prayer crowd."
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Yeah, but they don't want to be real cops. They only want to play them on TV.
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I'd love to see them recruiting from the constant protest groups downtown.
They always seem to know exactly how things should work. But I've yet to see one of them get into anything in the city besides Chloe Eudley.
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I thought it was their overly ridged screening criteria, mostly their multi-year exclusion for marijuana use? I'm guessing the police culture isn't helping matters, but my guess is the Council has little to do with PPBs recruiting troubles.
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I though recently it's only if you've smoked in the past year. If so, that's not as strict as other places.
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the Council has little to do with PPBs recruiting troubles
I think you're right. I'd certainly NEVER want to work for Portland. I mean, we make it abundantly clear we don't want cops downtown at all. Why would you want to work in an environment in which the public and criminals all hate you?
Personally, I think we're getting exactly what we wanted - no cops.
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Theres no muti year exclusion.
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no one ever said 'fuck the police' because the city counsel said so... lol.
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Does anyone wonder about the flip side of this?
Why would 57 ineligible people apply? Who are these 95% of people applying for PPB that can't make the cut?
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They said that it's a combination of drugs and lying on the background test. I'd really love to hear a more detailed breakdown of both of those. They did also indicate that it wasn't just marijuana, but that marijuana within the past year is a disqualifier.
I am also very curious if they're losing good candidates to a stringent background process or if they're just not getting many good candidates to begin with.
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Their background process is the same as most surrounding agencies, if not a little shorter due to such high demand.
If you watch some interview with Outlaw that's been going around she states that all the well qualified applicants are going to the surrounding departments to make the same or more amount of money in an departments that are much better than Portland's. It seems the big reasons are lack of public support and lack of support from their leadership/cheif/commissioner.
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They deny people for totally arbitrary reasons during background investigations. The checks aren't just for criminal history, it's basically an evaluation of how much liability the department is taking on by hiring you. How shit is the department gonna look if you fuck up and make national news?
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I feel like the cops and city council both point the finger at each other without realizing that most people don’t like either one of them.
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I think we're seeing dysfunction all-around. Portland at large will complain constantly about the homeless and the related drug and property crime, then turn around and complain about new shelters and the police. We're far more capable of pointing out problems than promoting solutions, which isn't particularly unique to Portland. Not that he's without fault, but it's been pretty clearly taking its toll on Wheeler.
We see these issues with policing. I've gotten tired of the ACAB mentality because it removes any possibility of good police officers. It's a self-defeating attitude. Reality is that police are going to exist, and if you start with the premise that it's impossible for them to do good then you've created a scenario in which there are no better outcomes. There are both systemic and individual issues in policing, but there are also good police out there who do work to make things better. Of course, that's also the problem with Daryl Turner and his hard stance on towing the Thin Blue Line. It's really hard to garner public trust if you're unable to acknowledge that police make mistakes and unwilling to work with the public in implementing reform. For crying out loud, body cams should've been a no-brainer, and he has to recognize that letting officers review footage before providing their statements is a non-starter.
Then again, I'm a complaining hypocrite too. If I had the answers I'd be running for council.
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Translation: Everyone hates the job we're doing and nobody wants to work for us
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This man is incapable of being introspective
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Who the fuck cares what this scumbag thinks?
Also he's so wrong anyway.
But seriously fuck this guy and the horse he rode in on.
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The PPB has to do a better job at policing if they want to gain respect of the City Council, the police oversight committee, and regional residents. There is more than enough anecdotal and direct evidence to describe how they are basically rotten. I am entitled to this opinion because I have suffered by their negligence.
Btw, whichever agency or organization dresses people up in costume to catch criminals should be ashamed of themselves. There is a body in Portland that looks up criminal suspects and investigations on the internet, searches for friends and family of criminal suspects and crime victims, dresses up with makeup and costumes to resemble them, then approach people in public to extract information. The activity is alarming and completely uncalled for. If it's not a policing agency and their friends/family, it's someone who follows police investigations in the region closely. The activity became so alarming I had to contact an outside authority in the matter and I am pretty sure they were as upset as me, especially considering that I had complained about it and the regional police could not or would not do anything. Despicable!
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What.
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I have no idea, but I'd love to visit this place. Someone dresses up as my family to fuck with me? Sounds.....interesting.
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"Of 60 recent applicants...only 3 passed background checks, mostly for past drug use..."
'If you ever smoked weed, you can't be a cop here. ' And he thinks we can't get applicants because of the city council's attitude.
I mean, it's Daryl Turner, "thinks" is a rrrrrrreal strong word to use
Federal law says they can’t issue officers any weapons if they smoked within the last year. They can become non sworn (no guns) officers but Portland still struggles to fill these positions.
The city council is clueless. They are concentrated on diversity when the real problem is not allowing officers to do their job.
https://youtu.be/zEY60irtwtc
Right. It's like someone actually believes we're going to be the first department in world history to solve inequality in the legal system through having a diversity quota in the police department.
And you actually believe letting pot smokers to be cops would solve the problem with not finding cops in this city?
Oh this asshole again. No thanks.
Is that prohibition coming from the federal, state, county or city level?
Frankly I think I'd prefer a cop who was into getting stoned now and again.
That reminded me of a cable access skit we were writing once:
_ The Rastafarian Police Force of Jamaica _
"The bank robbers all be holed up, man. How we be getting dem out? Do we be shooting dem?"
[oo] 'Nooo, man!'
"Do we use grenades?"
[oo] 'Nooo, man!'
"Do we use tear gas?"
[oo] 'Nooo, man!'
"Do we use ganga gas?"
[oo] 'Yeeeeesssss!'
Um no he didnt say that. Using drugs within the last year would preclude an applicant, not any weed use ever.