Made this for the hundreds of dipshits who waddle into chats and subs everyday to spout the same incoherent accusations. Copy/paste and save some brain-cells.
Posted Apr 10, 2019, 9:13 AM UTC
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Thank you for your service
Bonus Meme: They always get stuck at the pedo part.
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Thank you for your service
It may have all been for naught. They're in this very thread making the EXACT same "points" that are addressed in the flowchart. I seriously can't believe it it.
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Where I'm guessing people get confused is in the top-right bubble; 'It's inapplicable...' might be better understood if it said something like 'Then we shouldn't do it' or some other response clearly in the negative.
No, it shouldn't be necessary, but I understand how people who are less familiar with these thought experiments might feel like it's dismissing those concerns by not clearly saying that if those specifics were born out then it would be 'a bad thing'.
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yeah, that's a good idea actually.
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If we're nit picking I agree with the toning down the language for the pepegas and non-native english speakers, also change colors to be more readable
I was also saddened by the comments below
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Functional illiteracy is a real problem.
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The sad part is most of them don't seem to have the cognitive capacity to make sense of this
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Also, most are just bad faith actors and professional slanderers.
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Just them though and not any of Destiny's fans
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recent generations saw substantial increases in IQ test performance that is largely attributed to the increased ability to engage with hypotheticals.
those that honestly fall for the ethical-CP trap rely more on norms and feelings than on confident rational thought, when you push them on something fundamental the entire worldview construct is shaking, concepts like good and evil and free will, all the social hierarchy memes, and the simple coping mechanism is "you say abnormal thing, you now excluded GRUG". but in their heart there will be some doubt, so they either move towards determinism and empiricism or they move further towards degeneracy theory and appeal to tradition.
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Do you have a source for the iq thing? I've heard it before and it feels right but i haven't seen any studies.
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It's called the Flynn effect, and is very well documented and great evidence that environment effects IQ. As far as I remember changes over time are much larger than the race-IQ gap.
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i don't. last time i read it was in a reliable large german newspaper a few weeks ago. don't remember the name of the psychologist the author was citing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhW9uI
That's a good starting place if you're interested.
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Ya ive seen this before but where are my S T A T S
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand ethical CP
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They understand the argument they just want to trash destinys rep lol its just a smear tactic. Good pic though
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Yea but if Destiny printed this and put it in his binder to bust out it might convince people in their audience how illogical the person is being, if that doesn't work they might just be a lost case/unwilling to change at that time
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It's missing the percent white people in the population though
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I think that some do and others don’t. Fuentes definitely knows, but Venti is probably honestly too stupid to honestly engage with the hypothetical.
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Any hypothetical
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I don't think most of them do, they hear "Destiny defended CP???" and can't fathom the context where it could be valid, so they just assume they can nail him without even listening to his actual argument
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Unlike antifa count dangledongle has not seen any videos of nathan... but he really wants to.
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Your choice of text/background colour scheme gave me eye cancer... but otherwise, good meme.
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While I agree with the idea behind the flow chart, "I agree" isn't the only acceptable response. You can believe that the consumption of underaged pornography in any situation is unethical, even while engagin with the hypothetical.
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Yeah i know, was just being a little trolly there. AFAIK my stance would be more utilitarian, but value-ethics types would disagree, I think? Really though, I made it cuz EVERY single person I've heard is the same:
"Would you agree with hypothetical X?"
"BUT WHAT IF IT WASNT HYPOTHETICAL X!"
It's the dumbest shit.
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Agreed, the fact that most people can't engage with a hypothetical is slightly worrying.
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Well people are used to hypothetical situations being brought up with a point in mind. If your point is really in favor of cp in some real or possibly real situations, then they are completely right in pointing out the flaws in the premise, and not just the internal inconsistensies it has or doesn't have. If the whole point is to show you think you're intelectually superior to the person listening by baiting them into disagreeing with you, then they should pat you on the head and say "you're very smart dear, please stop wasting my time" regardless of whether your argument is internally consistant. An analogous (but less convoluted) situation would be me saying, "let's assume jewish people are evil". I would then say to be morally consistant, you have to say the holocaust was good. Now if I'm a neonazi advocating for another holocaust, you are very justified in questioning my premise, and not only my conclusions. Otherwise, you are very justified in telling me to shut up and stop wasting your time.
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If the whole point is to show you think you're intelectually superior to the person listening
I'm sorry philisophical discussions leave you feeling so defensive. For the rest of us who can handle it, hypotheticals are frequnetly used as an interesting way of testing the limits of ones values, or identifying the true reasons for one's views.
An analogous (but less convoluted) situation would be me saying, "let's assume jewish people are evil".
Thats not even close to analagous. Antisemitism is being pushed for, acted on, and given as the justification for actual, real life genocide. There is nothing hypothetical about it, and publicly discussing it as such is likely to aid its IRL proponents.
Show me the active group of real world ethical cp supporters with millions of members, media networks, elected representatives and actual atrocities to their name, and I'll gladly change my stance.
Until then I'm not up to engaging with such absurd dishonesty.
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So you really think there are people out there who would pick an option where more kids get raped rather than reduce the number of kids getting raped?
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not everyone has the same strictly utilitarian viewpoint on morality
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I'm not sure there's any moral justification why preventing people from seeing CP (In this specific, niche, controlled example) is more important than preventing more children from being raped.
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In this specific, niche, controlled example
"We don't live in a one-dimensional world, broski."
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Sometimes I wonder if people on here realise they sound as smooth brained as the people they get upset at.
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Hey asshole, instead of calling me smooth brained for pointing out the fact that you're basically saying
"Well what if they don't agree and want to pick the hypothetical option where more kids get raped,"
Explain why I'm wrong.
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You know my dude, I really don't think I'm going to be able to explain anything to you.
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Not the guy you where talking to.
I think negotiating with pedophiles is taking the wrong approach.
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Missing the "I'm willing to trade off giving child porn to pedophiles in specific monitored situations for more children getting raped."
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This is a good examples of Destiny's old argument for why Dems cant win over the middle but the Repubs can.
That flowchart roughly expresses Destiny's stance.
The other side's stance is summed up entirely with "CP is bad."
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W E N E E D E D T H I S
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I think that the only effective argument to this would be "how much are they decreasing". There may be potential to decrease child rape with this approach, but there is also hypothetically the potential to increase the number of adults that are pedophiles (even though in this hypothetical scenario they would not act on it) and therefor increase the number of adults who are disconnected/debilitated by the affliction of pedophilia.
To summarize: you could lower the amount of pedophilic activity, but potentially expand the 'epidemic' of pedophilia.
And before you say "who cares if there are more pedophiles if less children are being raped" I agree, but you could argue that the increased number of pedophiles, if it grows continuously somehow as a result of this, could end up being a negative (If the higher number of pedophiles eventually means > child rapes even when the % per pedophile has decreased)
But that's just some thoughts. . .
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One way the hypothetical could account for this could be contained withing the "controlled" part, stipulating that the porn is ONLY shown to people who are absolutely 100% known to be pedophiles already, and in a controlled enviroment where it can't be shared.
That's sort of what I meant, but it was too long to put in one of those bubbles.
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Kind of braindamaged to think the only logical position is to agree. You could argue it's unethical to allow the existence of child porn. you could argue it's unethical to ask victims to consent to its use. you could argue it's unethical to use violent content as a tool. You could argue the entire process is unethical because you're essentially forcing a subset of people to review child porn for professional use which will definitely have an impact on them psychologically.
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Yeah exactly, it's funny to see people in this thread roasting people who can't understand simple logic while defending the "I agree."
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Yeah, I know, the "I agree" bubble was mild trolling. There are fair disagreements to discuss. The chart was mostly just to catch all the usual, stupidest arguments - which I hear literally EVERY time it comes up.
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besides the frictionless surface brains like tonka and no bs, pretty much every conservative who argues him on the incest/pedo topics is doing so in bad faith. i don't think nick's stupid enough not to understand, but calling someone a pedo is such an easy way to discredit them that he can't help himself.
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How so i sit in the middle of this flowchart?
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They don’t give a shit , it’s just an easy way to slander and discredit someone opposed to them Still can be a good way to represent the argument to people out of the loop tho
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This debate exposes how fucking stupid these people are.
And the incest debate exposes how fallacious their "facts not feelings" arguments are.
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they aren't aware of the argument's premise in the first place. These are the people who want to murder all pedophiles, they are incapable of looking at any issue related to it critically. They hear "Destiny defended CP -" and assume there's no possibility his argument could be defensible, so it's their big chance to call him out and nail him on it. every time
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I feel like full body cringe when I listen to people struggle to understand this.
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This flowchart gave me an erection
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Lemme stop you right there you pedo /s
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What about a true intellectual and Rational™ take you libtard forgot to put in here, huh?
"C'mon man, seriously?"
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I see your logical chart and raise you a, "you're so dumb, bro"
Your voice is stupid
everybody's laughing at you dude
Your so short dude
Correction. Youre voice is so stupid. Come on bro get smarter.
You must be 5 foot 1
Nah, the soy knocked him down to 4 feet tall now, he's such a BEYYYYTA.
well I see that and raise with "SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!"
No u
You appear incapable of linear logic or nuanced thought. Please stay in school.