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SWaddict

0 spd substat runes, who can use them?

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was looking throu my runes, i noticed i have so few runes with no spd substats, they are legends ones thats why i didnt sold them right when i got them .

who could use such runes ? i thought about a despair halphas ( dont have him ) ; leo ( rage runes ? i dont have him either ) or maybe a fat lushen ?

any1 else can use those almost useless runes ? almost useless for me because i dont have access to more than 3 reapp stones per week and im still trying to reapp tha same slot 3 swift rune to get more than 20 spd on it -_-

edit: i should have clarified for a pvp use mostly

Posted Apr 14, 2019, 11:21 AM UTC · edited

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MrKal245:oberon: •

Fat Lushen/Leo/Halphas/Antares are like the only mons I can think of that can make decent use out of 0/low speed runes.

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SWaddictOP•

antares doesnt need spd ?

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MrKal245:oberon: •

It's useful on him don't get me wrong, but due to the nature of his passive he is going to get turns regardless so you can go that route.

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SWaddictOP•

true , tyvm ;)

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lwqyt•

Also monster in general u want to use in necro

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Qwazym•

Just noting that necro needs 130 spd, more helps with trash waves.

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Kelte:beth: •

spd gems exist and so do specific niche mons that dont need any or not too much speed

also while speed is the most important stat in the game its not the only one, if a rune is efficient enough it doesnt matter if it doesnt have any speed, you have 5 other runes that can also provide you enough speed

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Fean2616:velajuel: •

This, a 6* with HP% Def% Res% Acc% is fine, also first 3 and anything + Legend Enchant and Grind is like what 18 speed?

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Nyque:yeonhong: Where is my light chasun?•

IMO any unit that is not a speed buffer or units like Jeanne where ideally you should get 1st turn since I don't really see the need to have speed on every slot.

It's especially useful for DPS since you don't need to have super high speed for DPS. Of course, I'm not saying that DPS don't need decent/good speed but they don't need speed on every slot to achieve that.

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SWaddictOP•

many of my dps or support units are in the range of 200-220 spd, at least the ones on violent and not swift , and i get outsped like alot in GW, i really mean alot , im even considering building acasis or 2nd and 3rd chloe to be safe 1st turn -_-

i dont have enough luck with will runes drops, so conceding 1st turn is almost always a loss for me , im even considering leaving my g1 guild to drop down to c1/2 guilds ( i my self am a c1 arena player)

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Nyque:yeonhong: Where is my light chasun?•

Which server are you in? I'm in G1 guild and C1 arena as well with similar speed on my units but I don't really have a problem with GW other than the occasional unlucky procs. I do get out speed sometimes but those are the times where it doesn't matter since I'm using more of bruiser comps.

If I'm using speed comps like Lushen, I outspeed 99% of the time unless I face G3 guilds. Maybe you're not choosing the correct team to fight?

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SWaddictOP•

EU server here, 99% of the GW defenses in the g1 range are bruisers teams ( chandra jeanne BMs ....) , they are tanky AND fast lol , sometimes i dunno how to take them down pff

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Nyque:yeonhong: Where is my light chasun?•

I'm in global if that makes a difference. IMO bringing bruiser comps to Jeanne, Chandra, X comp is just asking for trouble since 99% of the time, all 3 are on vio and there are too many things that can go wrong.

Best way I found is either use Copper/Bulldozer/Imnesty (but personally I don't use this since my Imnesty has bad runes) or Kahli/Covenant/Chloe and use Copper/Covenant to snipe Chandra/X first then use Bulldozer/Kahli to finish off Jeanne and now it's a 3v1 match.

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Gantoth•

Also copper/dozer, since you're almost always giving them turns with another monster. Just want to max damage on them.

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SWaddictOP•

my dozer with 22k x2 has +2 spd if i remember correctly ;)

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PXLated:zerath: First Dragon!•

how did you manage to get +2 speed, a green enchant?

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SWaddictOP•

its a +5 actually , my bad ;)

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xelaxo•

leo, light lich

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bamsazabi:vivachel: •

I think it has to depend on the subs and set. E.g. rage to fat lushen/katarina, Energy to Kahn for WB, vampire to tractor or something.

Those with good dps stats can also be given to your pve units such as lyn teshar etc for broken sets

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SWaddictOP•

hmm, dunno, imo any monster below 150 spd is useless for pve , for pvp thanks to resurgers, some low spd monsters are acceptable

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shinjikol•

Tell that to the +32 spd Twoshen Twolia Sabrina dungeon teams

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SWaddictOP•

fair enough , u get a point here sir

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bamsazabi:vivachel: •

I dont think lyn and teshar needs speed

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_agrippa:camilla: remove ToA crit animations•

My twins are 120-140 spd, ToAH100 / 55s DB10 / 1:10min NB10

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Annoy_o_Tron:charlotte: •

If they're efficient runes, just slap a purple spd gem+grind on it and it's usable on most units

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wzm971226•

all monsters used for rift beast, labyrinth, giants necro and dragons dont need speed. as for toa, you just need 1 fast and the rest can be slow. tbh, pvp is the only area that i see speed to be important.

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SWaddictOP•

true, but once u have sub 1mn in pve , you begin to focus on pvp, thats where low spd units are underperforming

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wzm971226•

sub 1 minute? get 30 seconds first. your runes on dungen monsters are not good enough.

as for rift beast, SSS isnt good enough, you still have to hit 5mil.

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wzm971226•

also, to build a decent fast pvp monster, you dont have to get speed on all six runes. my seara is on spd/hp/att, with 2 of her runes no speed at all, but with 30% att and 30% hp on those, i made up my speed from other slots and still get a Total of 200 speed seara with 36k hp and 2k attack, 1k defense and 70% accuracy.

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SWaddictOP•

wow, i should farm more ( even tho last 2 months i refilled like mad but still no improvement yet )

bare with me here plz ok? my fastest monster is bernard ( 301spd) then couple of 260-280 ones , gb10 didnt gave me a single upgrade in the last month .

now for violent , my biggest problem is Crate , my dps have 65-75 max rate because of lack of cr substats

tyvm for the tips , i will continue to refill and farm, i hope rngesus will smile upon me soon ( and if he could give me bastet woosa tiana zaiross... ill be gratefull too ;)

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wzm971226•

my bernard is only 296. again i wanna stress another point which is that speed is good, but whats better and more important is speed tunning. no point having 1 or 2 really fast units and the rest all slow. its better if all your monsters moved together and dont get cut.

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Key_nine•

Many rift beast teams need very little speed. If they have good attack, cr, and cd percent stats I would use or save them for that.

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Mdnia•

I think someone has already pointed it out but the most important thing is to build teams. Tune your units properly and use them correctly and you won't have too much problem in pvp. You don't need to be fast to be successful in rta and gw/sige. But you do need to learn what to use where, and have will on units that need it. And you need to farm a lot of r5, I have plenty of runes that had no initial spd but they rolled really good and these runes are one of the best runes that I have right now.

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ericg888•

I watched a video by SeanB with Makeitabud talking about runes to keep, which to reapp and what to look for.

Key point I took from it was to look at a runes potential after grinds rather than what it starts with. If you roll grindable stats and can gem and grind a spd then it becomes a top tier rune. If you can get 3 grindable subs and dodge the non grindable ones, you've got a pretty solid rune.

If what I said was too jumbled, which it probably was, just watch the video on YouTube. They do a way better job explaining it and go further in depth.

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SWaddictOP•

i got your point, and what i came out with as next goal is to farm r5 as much as possible ( i went back and looked throu my runes equipped on my units, id say 75% of them are ungrinded lol )

tyvm btw and gl with the farming

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EnderCN•

You can get 15 speed from a gem and a grindstone so any great rune with no speed can be totally viable. It just takes a lot of work and you can't save too many of them.

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SWaddictOP•

true, i need to stop selling runes just because they have no spd subs

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FederalShoot:maruna:/:sabrina:Twins are my love:shaina:/:talia:/:belita:•

Runes with no spd subs are good for PVE. Dungeon mons almost needs no speed (something like +15 just and maybe a little bit more to have a speed tuned team). Speed is also in raid not really necessary. Def, Hp and damage are more important. And speed is in toah not the most important thing (synergie is more important). If you have mons there on slot 2 with spd you can definetely give them less speed on subs

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