My doctor and physiotherapist have not been hugely helpful for an injury I have on the right side. I'm curious if maybe a Test-E cycle pinning directly into the injured muscle has any chance of improving function. Has anyone here noticed the muscles around the area you pin growing more than other areas?
Any insights appreciated.
Posted Apr 18, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC
There's a video where Seth Feroce talks about how pinning lagging areas is a way to grow them faster. Not sure how true this is.
I love Seth Feroce, but there was a video where he basically said “I just do what makes sense, I don’t need science to confirm what I already know”. I’d take anything not training or diet related with a grain of salt.
To be fair, just because something isn’t backed by science YET doesn’t mean it has no merit. Lots of bro-science works for people for one way or another and perhaps the science just hasn’t caught up yet. Not saying it’s true, just thought that’s worth throwing out there.
Yes, the mind muscle-connection for example. Arnold was raving about that. It’s now backed by science. That statement though, it doesn’t bode well for anyone.
Not to mention that Rich Piana said site injections were bullshit, and he was the king of broscience.
his bait and switch self-marketing was decent enough to rope in all the fitness/bb boys but I'd think this sub would see through his bullshit being no different than anyone elses. if you want to listen to someone huge who isn't competing anymore talk fairly openly about gear, markus rühl has been doing that at his seminars a lot, and he's certainly more accomplished
I pinned tne in my glutes for a few months straight and they visibly leaned out (during my offseason)
This is interesting. I would have expected hypertrophy.
Thanks for sharing
It’s not to say that there wasn’t any hypertrophy at all, but mainly i noticed them being leaner than before (I’ve always had a huge ass)
I’ve been noticing the opposite. I train sport specific so more kettlebells than squats but I’m stretching my boxers pretty good without really working them; just pinning.
Kettle bell swings are An amazing workout for the glutes my man.
Maybe the oil acting like synthol?
This, the oil acts as a temporary synthol. In fact this is how they thought up synthol.
I use a lot of spots but feel like ive probably pinned glutes more than anything. I do not have a juicy booty lol. So id say no it doesn't cause site growth.
Second this, have pinned Glutes for years and they are shithouse.
I'm not aware of any science to this effect but I've heard it once or twice anecdotally. I don't believe any of it.
There's a rat study that showed an effect on osteoplates. I'm not a rat though and I need to get the muscle and tendons up to par, not bone
There’s many anecdotes out there that pinning a muscle may potentially help bring it up. Some believe this is moreso with short esters (or no ester), and that the compound will aid in promoting more local IGF-1. Or if your constantly pinning larger volumes there it may stretch the fascia (and in turn potentially promote growth) in a way similar to synthol.
I don’t discount this theory.
Source: My ass is phat.
It could also be that pinning helps with the mind-muscle connection of a lagging body part, which is usually part of the reason it is a weaker area. I know biceps are a weak point for me and I have a hard time feeling a deep contraction versus say my lats which grow quite fast and I can contract hard af
You guys seem to think this came out of nowhere but I have specific reasons for asking.
In one study, it is noted "5α-reductase enzyme actively converts T to DHT in a local tissue-specific manner, which locally increases its action" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6189635/). This is unclear to me, but it fits in with the findings of another study based around quadricep strength training that found "the leg resistance training program was associated with a modest local increase in muscle mass" (https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1164/rccm.200305-617OC). The thing I'm unclear on is what counts as local: the muscle worked or the muscle injected? In a rat study, it was found that "Testosterone injected directly into the rat growth plate increases the width of the growth plate" (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679948/#R26). These all seem to suggest a possible local effect, but the wording does not outright say it.
Brb ill start pinning calfs excusively now to see what happens
Anecdotally my ventroglutes are disproportiately large especially since I started pinning short esters. And I almost always pin there
Actually they look ridiculous when I flex them I really dont like it
Personally I think the site injection phenomena is a real thing just based on my own experience
My experience exactly too. My upper chest is lagging so I have recently started pinning there instead. If it works I don't know, but I'm willing to give it a go
Anyone else have big ventroglutes? (Whatever muscle that is)
Me haha
Mine are pretty beefy, more so now that I've been pinning them but that is probably coincidence lol
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Nobody really knows. There’s no science on it. I can tell you that pinning my biceps and triceps are my favorite spots and as far as I know I have the biggest pipes on the sub.
I don’t see your pipe in the picture but your arm is pretty damn big! ;)
I gotta share my experience:
For me, it works. There's definitely more hypertrophy in areas where I inject. I guess It has something to do with the inflammation that occurs after you inject.
Since I opened deltoids and pin them regularly with 1.5-2ml they blew the fuck up.
1.5-2mls per delt ? Or combined?
Per delt. I feel comfortable with it, pinning ED. They are growing like crazy
2ml per oil a day. What cycle are you on and what concentrations of gear?
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I have a Kardashian ass from pinning. I normally have no ass at all.
Juicy
That’s what all my sweatpants say across the butt
Extra juicy!!!!
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I used to exclusively pin quads and my legs are triple the size of every body part, I also squat a lot so who knows.
That seems to be the consensus. I guess I'll have to just try it myself and see if anything improves.
Thanks for the input
My understanding is that the muscle injected into will be more stretched, have more swelling, and have more inflammation depending on the amount of oil used. Not sure if you want to promote additional inflammation in an already injured muscle.
I'd been absent from this sub for several years but it's good to know that the same dumb ass bro science bullshit still gets asked.
not saying there is merit to it, but do you have some solid science showing it's bullshit?
The Ester needs to be cleaved before injectable testosterone is of any use to the body, meaning it first needs to enter the blood stream to interact with the enzymes responsible for this afaik
I am not a biochemist but this is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong
I believe u/spliffyyoda actually is a biochemist.
Paging Dr. Faggot.
So pinning a no Ester test would potentially help, whereas anything with an Ester likely won’t degrade on site significantly enough to cause an effect
I think it could be stretching the fascia. The volume of oil itself, some minor swelling etc.