So, you found us because someone told this is a hate sub? It may be worth checking this post. | 4000 users FAQ

META

Hi, I'm u/fussomoro and I made r/freemagic a little over a year ago when some people got shadowbanned from the r/magictcg for their post history. I'm making this post to clean the air of some really fundamental misconceptions people have about me, the sub or why it was created.

Are you a white supremacist? Is this a hate sub?

Of course not. I'm a 35 year old Brazilian designer with a major in Fine Arts and a Panamanian wife - clearly the textbook example of a white supremacist. I'm pro LGBT+ rights, pro choice, against criminalization of drugs and overall pretty liberal guy.

With that being said, it's pretty important to make it clear that freemagic, as a sub, is not afiliated with any political stance and is not based on my political or personal views.

Freemagic is based solely on the idea of a unmoderated place to have discussions about anything Magic the Gathering related. Nothing else.

So, if you are not any of those things, why do I see some intolerant views here? Are you lying?

No one on freemagic talks in name of other users of the sub, any idea is responsability and the views of the person who posted it and those who upvote it. No one talks in the name of all users, me included. Even this post is about why this sub was created and how it's moderated, I'm pretty sure that many of our users don't agree with me, and that's ok, because as Neal Boorts once said:

"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."

If this place is not political, why don't I see left leaning posts?

Because left leaning posts are not usually banned from other Magic the Gathering related subs. So it's natural that a sub that's against censorship will gather the people that are usually censored. That being said, have you tried to post something defending your views? Freedom is for everyone, you'd be surprised of how many people will agree with you here.

Hate speech is not free speech! You should censor someone hateful. Even the U.S Constitution put limits to the First Amendment.

Free speech is more than a legal term, is an ideology. Freemagic was built on the idea that we all could improve of a conversation were everyone has a voice. Even the bigots need to participate of that exchange.

Ostracization creates self validating ideologies. Everyone should participate in discussion, when you silence someone, the silenced believe that it's because you are afraid of what he has to say.

Are you not afraid of the consequences? Many other similar subs were quarantined or deleted.

The mod team upholds all sitewide rules of Reddit. No exceptions. Those are the only things that get moderated.

Don't you think we should change aim to change the mind of hateful people?

You cannot change the mind of anyone but yourself. The best you can do is share your viewpoint and show the same respect to others that you expect for yourself. In the end, it's just cardboard crack, no one should go on a moral crusade for a game.

What you wish for the future of the sub?

I think the sub is working as intended. If more people bring more ideas to the discussion we all should have something to win from it. Diversity of opinions should be the base of a healthy discussion, and that's all this sub aims to have

Posted Apr 23, 2019, 1:03 AM UTC

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This is well reasoned, rational, hits the nail on the fucking head, and should be stickied.

You’re still gay because you’re a mod, but you’ve climbed a rank to metrosexual.

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fussomoroOP•

I'm okay with gay...

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itsmauitime•

Youre a fellow huebro, youre straight af

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fussomoroOP•

Tell that to my futa porn folder

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itsmauitime•

married

futa folder

Holy shit what a legend (share it bruh pls)

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etherealhowler•

We all are sons of Pedro II, the Magnanimous. Forevermore, we're bound by his blessing.

Also, his father has has given his imperial D to so many woman that if you live in Rio, mayhaps you're his kin. 🤷‍♂️

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TheNorthAmerican•

I am not but it's ok.

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thewildgoose4466•

It's only gay if you cum

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matthewfrota•

I was kinda betting how far I'd have to scroll to see why this is tagged as a hate sub but literally the first comment, lmao.

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You’re fucking gay because you obsess about mentally ill men in drag.

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matthewfrota•

Right, way to prove the post immediately above you wrong. Thanks goodness the main Magic sub is so perfectly moderated.

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Did I place a moral judgement?

No, I made a qualitative statement.

You’re gay my dude.

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kb1127•

People need to understand that is not a hate subreddit. We don't hate gays. This is just a place for us to be able to post outside of the main MTG sub because the rules and censorship there are honestly ridiculous. Yes there is a lot of circle jerky posts but noone is posting with the intent of bashing anyone from the LGBTQ community. We just want to be able to post what we want with out being persecuted for wrong think. But knowing the way reddits mob mentality works and the immense power trip these people feel we are an easy target that is going to soon get shut down.

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Gauntlet_of_Might•

Come on dude, there was a thread last week screaming bloody murder because WotC dared make clothing with rainbow MTG logod

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“I fucking love woke capitalism and tokenism, while at the same time not understanding the “equality” I’m fighting for gets backhanded every time I’m set apart for some gay shit.”

Gauntlet of Might 2019

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Gauntlet_of_Might•

oh noooooo a rainbow logo!

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Remember when your team got fucking assblasted when WoTC made a camo one?

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mtg_liebestod•

Come on dude, there was a thread last week screaming bloody murder because WotC dared make clothing with rainbow MTG logod

Downvote and move on.

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Gauntlet_of_Might•

Yes, that is what people do to any disagreement with the hive mind her3

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mtg_liebestod•

It's good advice regardless. Deplatforming is shit.

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coker13•

I feel like a recurring theme here is the politicizing of the game. I feel like at our core we all would prefer an apolitical game where nobody pushed their agendas on anyone, but as that’s not the case with the company or the community they desire. So, we’re here. Here isn’t Nazi magic, it’s freemagic. It’s punk rock. It’s counter culture. It’s alternative to the sterile, non-substance seen on the mainsub. I like this place. u/fussomoro did a service to the community for creating this community for everyone.

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Ioseliani•

This sub isn't even that bad. You just downvote the stuff you don't want to see and block the obvious trolls. It's slowly getting better as the community grows.

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Mister_Momotaro•

Downvoting shit you don't want to see is part of the problem with reddit. It contributes to groupthink and makes each sub an echo chamber. Downvote someone if they're breaking the rules or not contributing meaningfully to the conversation. Don't downvote someone because you disagree with them.

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Ioseliani•

Why? I had to see it and read it once to downvote it. I don't want my view clogged up with rimming posts and the like. Freedom to say what you want isn't a requirement for people to listen to you.

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_Kolaghan_•

True. The downvote button was not designed as an "I disagree" button. Which is kind of odd because the up vote button seems to be designed as an "I agree" button. A bit confusing.

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[deleted]•

Yeah that's why you guys keep upvoting the garbage that Cato and suckle-man keep posting right?

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Woah woah woah I may be one of the thought leaders of this dung heap but don’t put me and Shuckle in the same sentence.

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stroggoii•

If anything the mainsub is the hatesub since they openly discriminate and silence people for daring to be different.

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wylan1•

For sure. I got skewered for saying I hated the JP loli anime version of Liliana.

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razor9586•

Thank you for this, Sir.

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draw2discard2•

Very nice post. One small note: In the U.S. category of "hate speech" is not legally recognized, at least to the extent of being a limit on the 1st Amendment. The limits are things like DIRECTLY inciting violence, slander, obscenity (though that is super hard to define).

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fussomoroOP•

Oh yeah, but it's a common talking point of the left. That's why I used it. But you are right.

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draw2discard2•

Maybe a talking point of "The Resistance, Inc." but not the actual left.

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fussomoroOP•

fair enough

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JaceisAce•

There is no left in the United States. There's a far right and a center right. You don't let leftists participate in politics and yet claim to have free speech. And no, the liberals you have in the democratic party aren't leftists, liberals are still capitalists and thus part of the political right.

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cappycorn1974•

we don't "let " them because we don't vote for them. very democratic process.

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“Progressive left is center right!”

Wait fucking what.

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LawyersPlayDota•

There is no left in the United States. There's a far right and a center right.

Good Lord are you poorly informed.

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Dale__Cooper•

Another Chapo moron who thinks that anybody to the right of Mao and Stalin are right wing.

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MarduRusher•

Really well thought out and nice post.

The other cool part about free speech is that the people who are not being censored can have more of a chance to change the mind of people who are. Let's say someone posting on this sub is a genuine stereotypical white nationalist tiki torch guy complaining about magic. Do you think baning him will change his mind? Hell no. When you refuse to engage with someone then they only have their own opinion to go by and it confirms their beliefs.

Here you can engage with that person and try to persuade them that they're wrong. Will it work? Probably not. People with that sort of ideology don't change their mind easily. That said if the free speech of this sub can deradicalize one person just a little bit, I'd consider that a win.

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magic_gazz•

The problem with people like on the main sub is that they think anyone who has "wrong" thoughts is the devil and beyond saving.

While that is true for some, it is not for everyone. Some people are just uneducated/inexperienced/hurting or any other number of things. You can show those people over time that there is a different view and their opinion can change. There is a pretty famous article about a black man who has changed over 100 white supremacist/KKK peoples opinions by just speaking to them.

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hashym01•

You also run into the potential that some will think someone is saying something hateful, but they’re not. They never get the chance to explain the confusion after being censored.

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_Kolaghan_•

Well said. The mods on the main sub are WAY too aggressive in their bans. I think it's because they don't police re-creating accounts. They ban an account, and you can make a new account within 2 minutes and start posting again. Go over 10 +1 karma and no more post restrictions.

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Soramente•

I don't even play magic. I just approve of the message and want to show support

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puppysnakes•

But you dont censor things. Obviously you are a racist nazi. /s

Keep up the good work not censoring peoples ability to have a voice all that does is make people worse not better.

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trenescese•

Stop explaining yourself to leftists. They're not interested in explanation nor reasoning. Don't explain, don't apologize. Anyone who isn't retarded will come and see that this isn't a hate sub, and people who think it is aren't really interested in you explaining why it really isn't, they just want this place banned because it's not a leftist circlejerk. Acknowledging leftist brigaders' "fears" of a "hate sub" existing is the first step towards being quarantined. This post is pointless

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zaphodava•

I don't want it banned. Where would I go to troll homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic assholes that like the same children's card game I do?

I'll give props to one thing about this place. Despite all the awful shit that gets spewed here, I don't think I ever see racist shit. Nicely done there.

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ShadowInOurBlood•

You're incredibly virtuous, do you get a badge of honour for your service?

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zaphodava•

Nah. If I were, I would just walk away. It's a vice, but a mostly harmless one.

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Read The Bell Curve. It explains a lot of the problems and conflicts we have in modern society.

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harharry•

Gotta flip out the leftist book of insults.

Real original. Maybe you’d want to define each of them and explain why we should care.

You have your work cut out for you.

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qaml•

and a Panamanian wife

I thought you were legit gay, not just internet gay? My illusion of serving a gay Brazilian overlord has been shattered.

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fussomoroOP•

Like I said, I'm a Lapsed Bissexual.

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Mister_Momotaro•

>lapsed

ONE OF US

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Bnjoec•

Ty Fuss, surely one of the best

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Vinifera7•

You should probably sticky this.

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fussomoroOP•

It is.

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Vinifera7•

I'm blaming Reddit's UI for doing a poor job of indicating whether a post is stickied.

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fussomoroOP•

Old reddit is true reddit

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Dantelion_Shinoni•

ever switching to redesign

OMEGALUL

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cappycorn1974•

Hell, even u/Gauntlet_of_Might has become up-votable lately

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supergnaw•

I accidentally stumbled on a comment of his I think I've on mtg finance and it had a valid point that I up voted I believe. Here, though? Haven't had that happen just yet lol.

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Taco-Time•
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cappycorn1974•

believe me, its an improvement. lol

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SilosSerenade•

Spoken wisely. I want this sub to grow, that means being inclusive but not obtrusive. Everyone has a right to be heard and not downvoted by those with elitist ideals. If you be a dick than you deserve it, be cool and no one is going to bother you.

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PewPew_McPewster•

Beautifully written.

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Yield_Person•

This was very well said. I commend you for doing what many are incapable of; telling anti-racists that they can't bully you.

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GreatPoster50•

Nice post but once you do the whole "I'm not hateful, I have so many black friends, blah blah blah" dance you're playing their game and pretty much already lost. No one has anything to apologize to SJWs over and don't bother seeking their approval.

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harharry•

This is very true. Give an inch and they take a mile. They’ll keep going until it’s just another neogaf or reset era, both of which are leftist dungeons.

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LotusGuy24•

Nice post u/fussomoro!

The enemy of free speech is the enemy of civil rights and individuality. The thought-police will never be your true friends, and if you happen to be on their side for one subject, chances are you will last just a little longer than the rest of us before you too are censored.

The people claiming a moral high ground, and the idea that their thoughts are somehow better than others, are always the ones that are the most surprised when the ban hammer comes for them. Here's the deal, it will come for all of us if you don't work hard to create a public forum that is vigilant in protecting all ideas.

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