All I see is this sub’s POV and that of, well, mainstream media, but I lost all means of “gauging” the political climate since shutting out social media. Educate me?
It’ll probably help if you give a bit of context on your socio-economic background, too, and that of your clique.
Posted Apr 29, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC · edited
How popular? Very.
Are they intolerant of opposing beliefs as I claimed? Yes.
Oops, forgot to include your demographic question:
My family, friends and immediate circle = mostly upper middle class.
Acquaintances Ive met through my university, my OJT office and the place I'm currently applying to = lower class to lower middle class
Its usually the upper middle class who are super outspoken. Most of the lower class people are the apathetic majority I described below. They dont really give a shit who's in charge because they're so busy trying to survive the day to day 9-5.
But the real people you should be concerned about are the apathetic majority. The ones who didnt vote for Duterte (or didnt vote at all) but still support his policies.
How are they apathetic and supportive at the same time though? Do you mean that they’re quiet when he fucks up, then visibly cheer on social media (and even offline) when he signs some law that he had nothing to do about?
"I like Duterte's war on drugs but I dont think people should be killed"
"I like the infra projects but I dont like the Chinese workers here illegally".
"I like how Duterte criticizes America but I wonder why he doesnt say anything against China".
"I agree with Martial Law in Mindanao but I dont like how the Marawi rebuilding is being undertaken".
These are just some of what I've heard from these type of people. They are people Otso and the opposition should focus on. Your time is best spent with these people because in reality, they're the majority and they already have second thoughts about Duterte.
IMHO, it doesn’t help that opposition candidates does literally nothing but oppose Duterte. If you observe those statements, it kinda evokes partiality that is not present when you hear statements from the opposition. They understandably focus on the bad side but never seem to bring up or even deliberately avoid mentioning anything that is in agreement with Duterte. For instance, in the recent debates, they never acknowledged that drugs and high crime rates are really a problem in our society and instead jumped to “EJK”, “killings”, “no to death penalty”, etc. They should try to find a common ground and give credit to where it’s due if they are to get the support from these people.
My take on it is different.
The opposition hasnt hyped itself up enough. Ask a random person on the street and they dont know anyone from Otso besides Roxas and maybe Aquino. I havent seen any campaign posters, paraphernalia or stickers for them.
I also feel that being opposed to someone isnt necesarilly a bad thing. Remember, Duterte's campaign was all about focusing on PNOY's bad side and disagreeing with everything he did. The opposition has one flaw with their tactic though: They fail to provide solutions beyond the status quo.
Compromising with the Duterte admin would erode what little support they have IMO. It would make them collaborators and "not legitimate opposition" in the eyes of most people.
Half of my family is supporting him, half does not.. Table talk during dinner sometimes goes into politics and you can hear jabs at both sides..
But at the end of the day, politicians come and go..
my husband is a hard core DDS. yung tipong “magaling talaga si duterte” kahit wala naman syang ginawa or “may plano yan si duterte, tactic lang nya yan” if he did or said something stupid. or “si duterte lang nakagawa nyan, kaya ba yan ni abnoy” pag may ginawang maganda si pdutz. it is annoying AF. we’ve gotten into some heated arguments because of politics. 😪
nangalahati yung friends list ko sa fb noong pinagdidelete ko yung obviously DDS at nag seshare ng mga post nina mocha et al.
Curious Lang ako, how has it affected your relationship ?
I should be in the upper middle class but literally no one I respect supports Duterte at this point. It is very easy to casually bring up politics with my friends because everyone thinks he is a joke, ipagyabang mo ba naman yang titi mo.
Duterte supporters in my circle are mostly those entitled jerks who thinks they’re above everything for some sort of reason and the gullible former acquaintances of mine who got sold on Duterte’s promises and maka-masa persona.
There are also those that I know but not really part of my circle that are diehard ka-DDS, they’re mostly composed of the uneducated lower class workers who are just tired of the system. They’re the stereotypical misinformed people who’s internet access at best might be the posts of mocha uson. Plus those that kinda support him simply because they directly benefit from him.
Meanwhile, I also know a lot of people on the other side of the spectrum who are die-hard anti-duts, from everything to even the size of his dick. I’d say they also get annoying at times.
My dad used to not like him because of his crass mouth. But my dad is pro-Marcos. Since Duts buried Marcos in LNMB and attacking the "dilawans", he started supporting him passively.
My mother's side is religious and they're like "we support whoever is in power because God placed them there."
"we support whoever is in power because God placed them there."
Then you remember mass murderers like Hitler, Mao, Mussolini etc.
They're part of God's plan, they say.
without them, we could be having MAJOR Population Crisis.
My mother's side is religious and they're like "we support whoever is in power because God placed them there."
our pastor has an interesting take on this.
At some point in the Bible, the people wanted - nay, demanded a king, despite the possible negative consequences. so God put King Saul in power, and he turned out to be an a-hole. Our pastor interprets our current state of political affairs as a parallel to the story. The people wanted someone, they did not care how f'ed up he was. Thus, we ended up with duturds.
Meanwhile, some pastors took Duts as some godsend who will rid the country of crime and corruption.
very. :/ it's sad to think that not many actually connect the dots. :/
Surprisingly, a lot of middle and upper middle class people are pro-Duterte.
I really think anti-Duterte people are in the minority. I do find people who disagree with his conduct/behavior and the way he treats China, but when you really drill down to the more serious issues (drug war, crimes, etc.) they all agree with him.
This makes me a little scared, to be honest. I do understand that there are criminals out there in the streets, and I do get the temptation to wish that most of them are dead so that we'll finally have peace. But I often ask myself, up to what point is this acceptable?
Most of my family members are pro-Duterte. Mom, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins. Even my aunt who works in the US and is already a US citizen.
The only anti-Duterte one is my uncle. He keeps posting anti-Duterte diatribes on Facebook which everyone ignores.
So it's like a 20:1 ratio lol.
He isn't.
No one in my family supports him. My friends don't either. These people are from the upper middle to upper class circles.
My family is the type of people who'd talk about news and current events during dinners and have CNN playing as background noise. My friends are artists & filmmakers and usually have a more liberal view on things.
I still see a pro-Duterte posts here and there on my feed, but I filtered a few toxic ones a long time ago and I was unfriended by some people during the last election.
My closest friends tend to not talk about politics nor bring it up. Although I know a few friends on both sides (pro and anti)
Some of my foreign friends dislike him.
I live in a middle class neighborhood actually.
Family (middle class): Unpopular
Circle of friends in UP: Unpopular
In addition:
My Ilocano dad seems pro-Marcos but Tagalog mom hates his family. I am also anti-Marcos not sure my sibling though.
I have many non-UP friends who I think are pro-Marcos.
Immediate family: Strong dislike, though my INC lola still voted for him despite not liking him too. Dad also used to mildly support Duterte and even voted for him because he was convinced he was actually going to deliver on his promises, but once Kian de los Santos, China, Marawi and other fuck ups came around he forbade discussing politics out of embarassment ever since until recently, where he apologized and is urging me right now to vote a non-asskisser. Middle class.
Extended family: Diehard on mother’s side (masa to middle class). God forbid you accidentally slip out your honest opinion. Neutral on father’s side (slightly upper class).
Friends: Strong dislike (mix of masa scholars and middle-upper class full tuition payers). La Salle.
Since we are Naguenos, of course we hate him. Most of th clan is disgusted and see him as an uncouth bunganga. Only entertaining enough with his naguuraguragan schtick. It gets mixed once local politics is in play.
Family members not living in Bikol are supporters though. As expected. Coming from the same law school as Pdutz with the same crass temper and conspiracy theories. Masyado apparent ang pagka Dunning Krueger effect. And they bemoan us lol for being voters with "prinsipyo", yun tuloy, na tanggalan ng pondo si Bordado at Lagman unlike those who suck up at least may "infra projects".
My family, which is composed mostly of middle-class OFWs from Iloilo, initially got attracted to him when he said that he will focus on eliminating illegal drugs, but immediately noped the fuck out when they learned that it will involve murder. I'm actually kinda proud that most of my family is anti-Duterte.
I have the uncle though who works as a call center agent in BGC and goes on "debates" in Facebook comment sections and posts sketchy fake news shit.
I think my entire high school track and field and basketball varsity batchmates are hardcore pro-Duterte based on their Facebook posts. Now I'm in Ateneo so being anti-Duterte is the norm.
My family’s (upper middle class) support for Duterte was very high during his initial election but waned as the years went by especially me. I don’t support him anymore
Mom is really a fanatic of his alliance. Botong boto sya kay Duterte at kay Bong Go. She's the typical blind supporter na lahat ng 'dilawan' ay kinagagalitan nya at lahat ng administrasyon ay super g sya.
How do you deal with it?
Minsan pasimpleng tanong at pahulog sa trap pero nanawa rin ako. I let her be na lang since outnumbered naman sya sa bahay namin.
Only around 10% of my friends are not fans of the president. Most of them are from UP and the Ateneo and/or are yuppies earning above-average income.
The 90% are a mixed bunch, but most of them are from my extended circle, people I've known through friends.
One side of my family (my mother's father's side) has a bunch of die hard DDSes. Mostly my cousins. The other sides are not. By coincidence, their social class has a strong correlation with whether they like Duterte or not. Pero coincidence lang yun in my case, don't treat it as indicative of the PH in general
Family's kind of in between though mostly positive. My dad has remarked about him selling us out to China though. My brother, being a (former?) activist, doesn't like him at all.
My friends? Lol no. Most of us are liberal or centrist.
Mom and Dad are both life-long activists, so at the very worst my sister is merely a liberal, while the rest of the family's well to the left, and none of us agree with Duterte's politics except maybe for the college tuition bill.