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Divvel

People who support the public education system should go to jail

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People who support public education and specifically compulsory education laws should go to jail for conspiracy to commit child kidnapping.

Since the majority of the population has been indoctrinated through public schools, the absurdity of the public education system doesn't come to them outright.

No one has a right to access your child's body. Not your neighbours, not the mailman, and definitely not the government. Public education and specifically compulsory education laws are the greatest threat to freedom, since it normalizes state violence from an early age and entrenches it into the psyche of children who are then supposed to vote rationally in a democratic system.

The idea that people are too stupid to pick their own childs education, yet should be allowed to vote on matters of national policy, the military, and the future of the country is one of the most prominent examples of cognitive dissonance and mass hysteria brought on by virtue signalling belief in "democracy".

Posted May 12, 2019, 9:46 AM UTC

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Luriallibertarian party•

"people I disagree with should go to jail" -Divvel

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lordhugh•

You heard it first, here, on r/libertarian

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mrxulski•

Vahan Gureghian wants more charter schools. He and other big businessmen wants public schools to be privatized, and the Useful Idiot who wrote this post will give it to him.

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DivvelOPAnti-Mob rule; Propertarian•

That's not what I meant at all, you're insane.

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pholleeey•

Yeah lurial. You’re insane. fuckin go to jail scrub.

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DivvelOPAnti-Mob rule; Propertarian•

Not an argument, buddy. Come back with facts instead of feels.

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lordhugh•

Educating your child is mandatory, as it fucking should be. You have a choice to send your child to a school, either public or private, or home school them. I'm not seeing a problem here, a parent has the choice of educating their child themselves or getting professionals to do it.

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BuddhaFacepalmedRights are Arbitrary•

Lol. Did OP lost chicken tendies?

Because the only coherent thing about your rant is how much your brain cell over-works in order to both keep you alive and let you function as a human being.

Public education is necessary and beneficial to all human communities, especially when said communities are historically poor and unable to afford education and paying their bills at the same time.

It isn't that people are too stupid to pick their child's education. It's that it is a guarantee that between the choices of having a roof over their head vs making their child having literacy beyond the 1st grade, 9 times out of 10 they would choose paying their rent if they were forced to make the choice.

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mrxulski•

Ever notice how these so called "ancaps" give the business elites everything they want?

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bhknbpost-statism•

If it's not run by government, it has to be for profit?

I think it's that ancap are tired of unthinking, uncritical sheep like you who demand that preferences be shoved down everyone's throat and that you are quite happy, even joyful, when violence is done to make that happen.

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bhknbpost-statism•

OP is wrong for calling for jail time.

However, you make a lot of unsupported assertions.

  • do you have evidence that government schools were intended to make up for a lack of education among the populace, particularly the poor?

If the problem is that some cannot afford education, why is a system of universal, compulsory government-run education required to accomplish that? If buying food is difficult for you, there are food banks. Using your logic applied to food, all people in the US ought to be compelled to use only food banks as their primary source of nutrition and have few other options.

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DivvelOPAnti-Mob rule; Propertarian•

Lol. Did OP lost chicken tendies?

Is this your great publicly educated grammar?

Because the only coherent thing about your rant is how much your brain cell over-works in order to both keep you alive and let you function as a human being

Good one, bro.

Public education is necessary and beneficial to all human communities

How?

especially when said communities are historically poor and unable to afford education and paying their bills at the same time.

Maybe they should worry about paying their bills first then.

Also, if this is the case, why do you have to force people to pay for and attend public schools? If some poor kids want to go to public schools, fine. But why should I be forced to attend, and why do leftists want to regulate and/or ban homeschooling and private schools?

It isn't that people are too stupid to pick their child's education. It's that it is a guarantee that between the choices of having a roof over their head vs making their child having literacy beyond the 1st grade, 9 times out of 10 they would choose paying their rent if they were forced to make the choice.

The literacy rate in Massachusetts before public education was 97%, source. This idea that people are too poor to feed & clothe themselves yet are shitting out uneducated babies makes zero sense. You can either afford to survive or you can't. This also doesn't explain why you want to force families who can pay for their own childs education to attend public schools.

Reminder that some of the greatest geniuses and inventions of mankind, everything from the Industrial Revolution to Chopin to Darwin to Edgar Allan Poe, existed before public education ever came about.

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mrxulski•

Nice job admitting you're all authoritarians. Just lock up anyone who disagrees with your make believe ancap utopia. The usa is the biggest capitalist nation in history. Millions of people in the Philippines have died from capitalism since the 1980s. Capitalist dictators like Alfredo Stroessner, Mussolini, and Pinochet have killed millions. Colonial capitalism killed hundreds of millions and all in the name of profits. You useful idiots for the business elites think you are rebels, but the fact that billionaires fund ancap think tanks like Cato Foundation and 90 some others, just proves that you are the morons who will give the elites the lower taxes and privatized prison and schools they want.

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bhknbpost-statism•

One opinion by one individual means everyone shares it? You're a moron and an authoritarian sheep. Dictators don't just kill millions with the power of their minds. They need unthinking, uncritical drones like you who are obedient to arbitrary authority and hold that any deviance from that authority undermines order.

In other words, you'd make a good German.

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bhknbpost-statism•

The title and opening is overly provocative. The rest of your post is just fine.

As the War on Drugs should end and is immoral, so too should school be separated from state.

People believe that law is moral when the rituals of legislation are completed successfully. Changing that thinking is good, but calling them all worthy of jail is over the top. "Taxation is theft" works because you aren't telling individuals that they are stealing from you.

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Xoms•

I can get on board with the idea, philosophically, that school shouldn't be compulsory. But in the practical world, of all of the governments less-than-ideal solutions that they have no business being involved in, school easily provides the greatest benefit to society. Before we can have a conversation about dismantling the dept of Ed. We need an alternative and "private schools" isn't an honest answer.

But the bigger issue here is that you think it's ok to kidnap people and incarcerate them because they have an opinion on something. That's probably the most anti-libertarian sentiment I've seen on reddit. Its more just than anti-libertarian: it's disgusting and shameful.

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DivvelOPAnti-Mob rule; Propertarian•

I can get on board with the idea, philosophically, that school shouldn't be compulsory. But in the practical world, of all of the governments less-than-ideal solutions that they have no business being involved in, school easily provides the greatest benefit to society.

[Source required]

Before we can have a conversation about dismantling the dept of Ed. We need an alternative and "private schools" isn't an honest answer.

Why?

But the bigger issue here is that you think it's ok to kidnap people and incarcerate them because they have an opinion on something. That's probably the most anti-libertarian sentiment I've seen on reddit. Its more just than anti-libertarian: it's disgusting and shameful.

You are either an authoritarian or inconsistent. There's absolutely nothing wrong with my position and you can't take it that I pointed out the facts.

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grey_marmot•

just because you are a highschool dropout you shouldn't encourage others to do it or try to normalize lack of education. we don't live in the middle ages

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bhknbpost-statism•

Do you have any evidence that if government doesn't run schools and make them compulsory that there will be little, or no education?

Government-run public education started in the 1850's in the US and wasn't universal until 1910. Was everyone prior to that uneducated and that was why people like Horace Mann felt that government ought to step in?

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lordhugh•

Criticizing education is why academia is full of leftists now and tech businesses are banning far right content. If the right was more excepting of education, academia and tech companies would be more politically diverse.

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let_talk_about_that•

If the right was more excepting of education

Showing off your public school education, huh?

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lordhugh•

My higher education was at a private university.

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let_talk_about_that•

lol, of course it was.

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mrxulski•

If the right was more excepting of education, academia and tech companies would be more politically diverse

Lol, you should go to a right wing schol like Liberty University where gay and lesbian relations are banned and so are transgender people. Right wing education is Fox News inspired libertarianism in Alabama. Republican teachers and college professors exist and they teach Hebrew mythology and "libertarianism" while supporting borders, walls, wars, prisons, cops and other big government spending. The Right loves to silence the Left. Mike Cernovich had James Gunn fired. Heather Hayer was silenced as were "Aids Skrillex", Zoe Quinn "Carl the Cuck", Don Imus, Colin Kaepernick, ACORN, & and thousands of others if you include Joe McCarthy.

Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam were banned alongside Alex Jones and PJ Watson. That's because Infowars and Nation of Islam are very much alike. Alex Jones and Watson have alot in common with the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan. They dehumanize people they disagree with using lies. They spread lies and fear mongering that threatens the safety of people they disagree with.

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DivvelOPAnti-Mob rule; Propertarian•

I'm actually very pro-education, and a lot of people in my family work in academia.

The distinction here is public education.

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lordhugh•

You do not have to send your child to a public school. There is no problem here

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bhknbpost-statism•

So, criticizing the holy state causes it's monks and priests to demand that the lords and ruler crack down in the heretics.

OP isn't criticizing education, he is criticizing government involvement. Do you lack the critical faculties to understand the difference, or can you explain with logic why attacking government is the same as attacking education.

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lordhugh•

He does not have to use public schooling. There is no problem here

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bhknbpost-statism•

And he wants to end it. He doesn't want to drop bombs on foreigners, either. Does that mean he should just eschew the practice and ignore that the government does it?

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