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ForgettableWorsemost everyone is wrong and a little over-the-top•

SJWs all (at least i don't know of any examples of an SJW who doesn't) support mass immigration that will eventually lead to whites becoming a tiny minority

Some valuable discussion happening over at offended bigoted nerd central.

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noactuallyitspoptartOne Man Brigade•

The real question is whether you'd prefer a generic POC/minority with identical views of Sanders over Sanders.

I guess it's not my place as a non-American but it'd be nice if any of the prospective candidates for President of the World weren't about to die soon.

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chopsaverOPI'm incel-adjacent and really nice and good looking•

Uhhh Warren, Harris, O’Rourke, Buttigieg?

Although perhaps in your own interest you are also tacitly requiring that the prospective President of the World recognize some modicum of the history and impact of US imperialism, in which case...

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noactuallyitspoptartOne Man Brigade•

none of those people are going to be president of the world

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athiev•

So the safest of the risky bets is Trump being reelected, clearly. Biden has a large lead in the polls, although his total support is low for a frontrunner. Sanders has a high floor in polling but also a low ceiling and almost certainly isn't a candidate with a real chance. Warren, Harris, and Buttigieg each have some resources that have proven important in past elections.

Overall I guess it's something like:

Trump 55% likely Biden 35% likely Harris 5% likely Warren 2% likely Someone else 3% likely

So, yeah, Trump and Biden are both old.....

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noactuallyitspoptartOne Man Brigade•

Last I checked Sanders was way ahead of Harris and Warren on multiple measures (not just polling) but I could be wrong and also I have a life of my own to lead and I increasingly don't give a shit about the awfulness of contemporary democracy

I just turn up to vote in the elections for which I am eligible for the candidate I hate the least and go home

(technically I don't currently have a home)

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dgerardpaid shill for Big Basilisk•

"no incineration without representation" as we used to say during the Cold War

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Throwaway_sneererRecovering t_m addict•

Checkmate liberals

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edwaridesconsent fetishist•

I really, really love America. But I think really loving your country means holding it accountable when it fucks up - not hastily justifying it like the victim of an abusive relationship. For example, when conservatives talk about how great and amazing 1950's America was, I think it's important to remember that it really was not that great for a lot of people.

This comes across like evangelicals saying they love gay people, they just want to save them from sin. It's not wrong, exactly, but it is off.

Jonah Goldberg had a line about that. Echoing Obama's go-to rhetoric on the matter, try going up to your spouse and saying "I love you, honey, I just want to fundamentally transform you." Then prepare to sleep on the couch that night.

Being a racist isn't a choice, unlike being gay, so it's unfair to say it's sinful or terrible! America's defining characteristic is its racism, so you can't really love it if you don't like that aspect of it. Libs and SJWs aren't really Americans and should sleep on the couch.

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