Tyrande 'Got Revenge for the Night Elves' According to WoW Interview
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reddit.comPosted May 15, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC
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reddit.com"Now we're going to shift to other characters, and by other characters, I mean the same characters we have always focused on".
Unsurprising, really. Blizzard is here to tell Sylvanas' story above all else.
"“The problem is there is so much to be told. Everyone has characters they want to expand on, but we also want to introduce new ones and to find ways to weave those stories together. With Rise of Azshara, the emphasis is on Sylvanas and Azshara herself. They are the focus. There’s just so much happening.”"
Hahhaa. New characters. Classic.
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emphasis on Sylvanas ? as an possible endboss maybe as an faction leader no.
most of Rise of Azshara will be horde leader plan to betray her
since the start of bfa Sylvanas was treated poorly (namely catoonly evil).
her whole role in bfa so far is to make Saurfang/Alliance look good
while butchering her own character...
on the alliance side its back to the standart "humans safes everything"with anduin and jaina.
while the Nightelfs get the short stick of character focus.
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"We want to introduce and place emphasis on some new characters. Now here's a (multi?)million dollar cinematic about Thrall and Saurfang."
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Blizzard is here to tell Sylvanas' story above all else.
Because she is the one that got 3 cinematic solely dedicated to her/s
If anything it's Saurfang's story. And with how he manipulates Thrall in "Safe Haven", at this point, i wouldn't be surprised if this is all just a ploy for him to get his "honorable death".
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The cinematics are Saurfang's story. The expansion is Sylvanas'.
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She hasn't been much in the limelight though. Kinda like Illidan in Legion, which were more centered around Khadgar and Velen
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The difference is that Sylvanas is filling a dual role between antagonist and faction leader. On the antagonist side, it doesn't matter if she's in the limelight, just like how the Legion was barely around in Legion until we went back to the Broken Shore. The entire point of the expansion is centered entirely around her. The Alliance want to destroy her, the Horde is plotting behind her back. She is the focal point of the expansion. And just like how Khadgar got phased out in Legion, as we move towards the conclusion of BfA's story, she, like Illidan, will start appearing more and more in the limelight.
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If this is all they have to say on the matter it feels like such a shitty attempt to try to close the NE chapter because the devs hadn’t realize how much backlash they got from the Burning of Teldrassil and the consequences from its shock value.
I get that they have a lot of story lines to focus on but Darkshore’s warfront with fluctuating control =/= revenge for burning thousands of civilians.
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If that's true, then the "revenge" of the NE was underwhelming. Or rather, not really there at all, unless we get some conclusion to the Darkshore Warfront with NE vengeance.
If she's still busy taking revenge on the Horde in Darkshore, then that would be a logical reason for her not to be in Nazjatar, at least for me.
Sure, given their history with Azshara, all of the NE characters could/should have a role to play in Nazjatar, but I can buy them being preoccupied with reconquering their home.
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That does sound pretty bad.
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Yeah I'm just convinced at this point that the Devs really, really, really, really don't like nor care about the Night Elves at all. It's in these things they do all the time, in interviews and whatnot where it shines.
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I cant even say how pissed i am. Just to make it clear: Blizzard that is a mistake. A big one.
“I think she had her moment where we told some of her story and she got her revenge for the Night Elves. I don’t think we’re exploring her story too much more in Nazjatar though.” Shani said.
This...! Just no. You can't be serious. Doing Saurfang Cinematics one after another and try to tell us Tyrande got her revenge? You know...Teldrassil...genocide...i mean. Yes for sure...put her in a Gaming circle event and its fine. One little szenario questline. Okay.NO. JUST NO!
Holy hell...if Blizzard want to listen...i cant even say it louder. Go in a meeting. Talk about that decision. Make a better one. And go...give her a big part in 8.2.
And no, i will not accept that...
Morgan picked up the conversation. “The problem is there is so much to be told. Everyone has characters they want to expand on, but we also want to introduce new ones and to find ways to weave those stories together. With Rise of Azshara, the emphasis is on Sylvanas and Azshara herself. They are the focus. There’s just so much happening.”
so much to be told...! Yes than just do it. No more Excuse. If you want to tell me Tyrande is sitting right next to Teldrassil, trinking tee and doing a beach vacation while Sylvanas, Azshara, even her adopted daughter Shandris, Anduin and Co, having a party in Nazjatar...than i truly...really truly...want to know if something is wrong in your brains. I dont know what to say anymore.
First i saw that cinematic and thought "oh Nice" -Gameplay and heartpowers look interesting "oh nice", Zones...not that bad "oh nice looks like fun..." And than...
“I think she had her moment where we told some of her story and she got her revenge for the Night Elves. I don’t think we’re exploring her story too much more in Nazjatar though.” Shani said.
that...holy fucking shit. Destroyed every bit of enthusiasm for 8.2. Thank you @Blizzard ... -.-
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Are they really going to use warfronts to conclude storylines? A never ending stalemate with no conclusion? What an awful decision, how is this satisfying in the least?
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the focus in Nazjatar is going to shift to delve into other characters and to see more of what Sylvanas and Anduin are up to
Said after they released the third cinematic about Saurfang. And why bring back Thrall? Wasnt he supposed to be "retired" along with Varian? Why are they bringing in random ass characters when the story should have been focused on the Night Elves, since they were used as props to kick off the expansion?
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Cross-posting to here since I know there's some who don't visit r/wow.
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I can kind of understand that. This patch pretty much all of WOW resources have gone to the new zones and the stories around them. Tyrande appearing in Nazjatar to help fight the naga.... would seem a little out of place, since she is focused on her homeland.
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The problem with this reasoning is, the only people making Blizzard have to choose between showing Tyrande in Kalimdor vs Tyrande in Naz'jatar, are Blizzard themselves.
Absolutely nothing says we had to have the final showdown with Azshara and the Naga right now.
Add to that the fact that Blizzards choice is seemingly to just not to show Tyrande at all and it's just another piece of trashy story decisions, much like a lot of BFA. If they actually showed Tyrande successfully doing stuff in Kalimdor I'd still not be happy about not seeing her face off against Azshara, but it would be a bit more palatable and believable.
They already did Darkshore (as bad as that was) as a 'side-quest' for Tides, would it have really killed them to carry the plotline forward on the sidelines even?
Why for instance is the Alliance breaking Baine out? Why isn't it the Horde break Baine out whilst the Alliance follows Tyrande into Ashenvale?
There are lots of possibilities, they just chose the easiest one of copy-pasting quests across to the Alliance, because their interest is solely on the Horde side.
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Her revenge for the destruction of her people's home and thousands of Night Elves was to kill a few Horde and stop their supplies?
She retook the Kaldorei's lands. I'm not happy about the dev's description given in the OP either, but let's try to stay rational, saying that all she did is "kill a few Horde and stop their supplies" is bad faith.
Staying rational, the description by the dev tells you all you need to know. The rough, incredibly vague depiction of Tyrande's jaunt through Darkshore is equal to the Burning of Teldrassil in their eyes.
No numbers are given to the casualties she inflicted, no indication as to what role it played in the war effort, and loose plot threads were left open while the devs try to claim that there was finality reached.
They had no interest in depicting a suffering population, one that feels terribly wronged and has its population culled. They had no interest in a horrors of war story, nor did they have an interest in allowing any semblance of patriotism past the into cinematic. Tyrande missing from Nazjatar speaks to the devs continued commitment to misusing the character in place of Shandris, a character I'm convinced they only remembered thanks to the story forums.
Darkshore may as well have existed in a vacuum for all the narrative progress that was made. That they pretend it had a conclusion in any capacity is an insult not only to Night Elf fans, but to anyone who enjoys narrative.
I agree, and I already said "I'm not happy about the dev's description given in the OP either". But again, let's not do the same thing in the opposite direction, saying that all Tyrande did is "kill a few Horde and stop their supplies" is a disingenuous euphemism, when she retook the entire Kaldorei lands from the Horde.
Except she didn't.
The Kaldorei lands are everything from Darkshore to Azshara, Felwood, Hyjal, Winterspring, Moonglade, Feralas and Stonetalon.
Of those she hasn't even managed to re-take the entirety of Darkshore, never mind Ashenvale.
If we had even 1 tiny quest showing Tyrande and a murderous army of Night Elves burning Splintertree to the ground I'd give you a 'significant' victory. Revenge would be actively pushing into 'Horde territory' like the Barrens and wiping -them- out, but we don't even get to the border of Ashenvale. We don't even get Darkshore back.
Tyrande's revenge in-game is literally kill 10 Forsaken, inexplicably spare one who is then busted out by the Horde later anyway, abandon her army to get bogged down in a battle of questionable success at best, un-ending stalemate at worst, fail to kill a zombie with a bow and kill a Valkyr (something that is not new, novel or interesting, nor somehow representative of her 'new power' given Valkyr are killed all over the place by anyone and everyone since Wrath).
Blizzard can say in interviews 'oh yeah the Night Elves totally win Darkshore' all they like. It will -never- be reflected in game.
Remember when the treaty with Vol'jin expressly said the Horde would withdraw from Ashenvale? Yeah Blizzard doesn't since it's a plot point of the stupid 'war of thorns' that the Horde used it's existing bases from Garrosh's invasion to carry out the genocide of the Night Elves.
It's garbage writing, and this interview is just more garbage reasoning on the pile. It's not like the Horde's story is much better, but at least they get a story even if it is just MoP 2.0 'still feeling bad about genocide' Zombie edition.
No she didn't. Darkshore is still being fought over and controlled by the Horde half the time.
Until they straight up declare a permanent, canonical winner of the Darkshore Warfront then she's regained nothing.
They just gave a winner in the link OP gave: the night elves.
The problem is that they consider that enough of a revenge when it was just re-establishing the status quo.