The new Kai'Sa build has been treating me well :>
Posted May 17, 2019, 10:38 AM UTC
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I am trying it out as well, but struggle a bit, would be very grateful for some build tips :(
Is it worth starting with tear or just go pickaxe into Manamune ? Also, what do you think are the advantages of goin AP instead of smth like pd/runaan -> infinity, apart from the w evolve and some more dmg on it.
The last thing, after the tooth, are there any other AP items other than hourglass, rabadon, voidstaff worth cosidering, smth like hexblade ? Would you go for voidstaff in some very late game (there are those nice 15% pens on rageblade already, enough) ?
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take what i say with a grain of salt since I'm only gold IV and it's just my opinion
since they are basically the same cost i would start with pickaxe over tear since the 25 ad gives you way more value than the mana sustain of the tear.
ap gives you a lot of burst since your passive and (i believe, not 100% sure) Q also scale well with ap. runaans + IE gives a lot of aoe teamfight damage however
as for the items after nashors i honestly can't tell you because my games never last that long. but theoretically, zhonyas/banshees are always viable defensive options. voidstaff works if you heave a heavy tankline against you but also against squishies since %pen applies before flat.
i hope that this was helpful :)
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Since you build manamune, you also can consider a ludens after Nashors if you don't feel the need of defensive stats since it has high ap and high mana, add a deathcap and you will most likely have the highest burst damage possible for kaisa while maintaining high dps
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I wouldn’t go void since damage tends to be pretty 50/50 even with an ap heavy build like this.
Defensives I take are usually Zhonya/Banshees and Gunblade if there’s an annoying enemy rammus that I know I have to hit to win.
As for secondary runes, domination is actually really nice on builds that don’t get lifesteal (Ravenous, taste of blood), but sorcery is highest damage. I tend to go sorcery if there’s a heal on the team, but domination otherwise.
I usually run stormrazor - rb - nashor though, haven’t tried manamune yet
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i just started this build too.
vs AP heavy line ups i find that wits end works good with the built in MR and the AS you get from it to upgrade the E instead of the nashors.
i have absolutely no idea what im doing as a Bronze 1
my build goes manamune, greaves, rageblade, either wits or nashor, Runaan, GA (since you know.. bronze).
with the older build i liked the power of the rightclicks along with the procs i did but with this one it seems more reliant of hitting all the skills to get that proc....
also how do you go about itemizing vs a tank heavy line up? i just went BotRK since i have no clue and that 8% as damage looks good on paper --
once again.. a simple bronzie
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To chime in on the general idea of fighting tanks, don't forget that BotRK's 8% damage is bonus physical damage, and not true damage. So if the tanks are stacking armor that 8% damage from BotRK is also getting reduced making it actually less effective than just building a pen item instead.
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also Void Staff if you go for the more AP heavy route with Zhonya's or Luden's
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Well TIL. I never really looked at that.
so lord domminks or as someone said void staff would be the better path?
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That's what I would do, I think those might give you some better damage against armor and MR stacking tanks compared to BotRK.
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The issue with going Wit's end third is you don't get the W evolve after you complete the item, whereas with Nashor's you get your 3 item powerspike which is kind of the point of this build, you spike so insanely hard on 3 items and it only gets better with more AP. so i dunno, i would go maybe a stinger/zeal/any attackspeed that gets you the evolve and then buy a zhonyas
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Ive opted for zhonyas after the wits most of the time. Even witg the nashors i feel like ap heros outright kill me if they get to me.
Maybe ill try nashors to get that power spike asap. I just do not like the idea of having no resistances to an AP hero and just being a splat in the ground
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you're an AD carry, you're almost always a splat in the ground
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Oh if i go the AP route and the enemy gets mr, whats a way ti go arlund it? Still in the process of learning the game i dont know how to counter high mr/armour people
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I've been spamming this aswell, pretty dope stuff.
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What runes you go?
https://imgur.com/a/rqpBfq6
The secondary Inspiration is a bit experimental, but has been working so far, else i would go Nimbus Cloak and Gathering storm usually
How is that experimental, everyone has been doing that for like 2 months now.
experimental for me, i never have used inspiration on Kai'Sa before, but internet said, it good, so it probably good, and it works for me so far
Wouldn’t Manaflow Band be better for this build? Manaflow Band gives you more maximum mana (250 mana) that will increase the AD that you will get from Muramana.
I never played sorcery with the manamune build, only inspiration, but yes, in hindsight manaflow might be the better option. i used nimbus/GS before 9.10
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