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Reahs

At least 50% of war thunder planes have a broken damage model (vehicle list included)

Gaijin Please

Update: The post on the War Thunder forum was closed before it was even opened and I got this message from smin1080p on that post


Hello

This matter has been raised with the developers for investigation. All material has been forwarded to join with ongoing reports.

Thank you for helping to improve the game.

So did we win?

Currently in war thunder some planes have good and some have a bad damage model for the elevator and what do I mean by "bad" damage model, well let me explain.

Most planes have a two-part elevator so they are not merged and that's how its supposed to be but a lot of planes have some kind of lazy (I suspect lazy) damage model where both elevators have the same hitbox and share the same hp pool so you can shoot the left elevator and both elevators will fall off making you lose all elevator control instead of half. this might seem like a trivial problem that might only affect old planes with earlier damage models but that's not the case. The newest jet for USA the F-100D has this problem where both elevators are glued together even though they are separate parts while the MiG-19PT does not suffer from this and can lose the elevators individually. Here is a short video showing and testing the damage models of different planes elevators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwVGWfXQxcY

So what I want are ALL planes to have elevators that have separate damage models and I guess the fix is to remake the elevators damage model for the planes affected and not much more than that

So you might want to find out yourself if your fav plane/planes suffer from this and I show how to test that without leaving the hangar at the end of the video

Here is a list of aircraft that I found to have a broken damage model but remember I DO NOT HAVE ALL AIRCRAFT in every country so this is not a complete list so there are a lot more planes with broken damage model. At least in Russia I only miss like 10 aircraft in the normal tech tree

USA----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

P-26-34 M2

P-26-33

P-26-35

P-36A

P-36C

P-36G

All P-51 variants(F-82 doesn't count- it has a P-38 style single elevator)*1

All Skyraider variants (AD-2 and AD-4, in all trees)*1

All F7F variants*1

All F9F Panther variants (Could not test F9F-8 Cougar)*1

All F-80 variants*1

All P-63 variants (in all trees)*1

All P-47 variants (Could not test P-47N)*1

F2A-3

F4F-3

F4F-4

F6F-5

OS2U-1

OS2U-3

PBY-5 catalina

PBY-5a catalina

SBD-3

PBJ-1H

PBJ-1J

B-25-1

B-25-20

I do not have all planes but I do have most rank 1 and 2 some rank 3 and a few rank 4

USSR---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MiG-9

MiG-9/L

Yak-15

Yak-17

Yak-15P (cannot test but as yak 15 and 17 suffer from this dmg model this one prob too)

SU-6 (M-71F)

IL-10

IL-10(1946)

Yak-9UT

La-7

La-7B-20

Yak-9U

Yak-9P

Yak-3

Yak-3P

Yak-9K

Yak-9T

Yak-7B

Yak-1B

La-5

La-5F

La-5FN

PE-8

I-16 type 27

I-16 type 18 (prob all of the I-16)

LaGG-3-8

LaGG-3-11

LaGG-3-35

LaGG-3-66

Ar-2

The whole line of SB-2M's

I-301

Zhukovsky's I-153-M62

I-15 WR

I-15 M-22

I-15R

I-15Bis

I-153 M-62

I do not have all the planes is the USSR but I have most of them in all ranks

GREAT BRITAN----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fury MK I

Fury MK II

Gladiator MK II

Nimrod MK I

Nimord MK II

Swordfish MK I

Blenheim MK IV

Beaufort MK VIII

Hurricane MK I/L

Hurricane MK IIB/Trop

Spitfire MK Ia

Spitfire MK IIa

Spitfire MK IIb

All Typhoon and Tempest variants (Could not test Sea fury)*

All Firefly variants*1

All Mosquito variants*1

All Lancaster variants*1

All Sunderland variants*1

All Boomerang variants*1

All Meteor variants*1

all higher tier spitfire variants( from mkV onward)*1

I do not have all the planes in GB but I have some rank 1 and 2

JAPAN--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A5M4

Ki-10-I

Ki-10-II

Ki-10-I C

Ki-10-II C

F1M2

H6K4

D3A1

B5N2

A6M2-N

Ki 43 I*2

Ki 43 III otsu*2

Ki-43-II

Ki 44 I*2

Ki 44 II hei*2

G4M1*1

All Ki-45 variants*1

Ki-102 otsu*1

Ki-96*1

All A6M variants*1

A7M2*1

N1K1-ja*1

All Ki-61 variants*1

Ki-100*1

Ki 102*2

Ki 109*2

F1M2*2

D4Y1*2

D4Y2*2

D4Y3 ko*2

Ki 21 Ia*2

I do not have all the planes in Japan but I have some in rank 1 and 2

ITALY---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CR.32 Quater

CR.32

Only reserve planes unlocked and found these two out of the three reserve planes

FRANCE------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All VB.10 variants*1

All D.520 variants*1

MS.410*1

C.R.714*1

F.222.2*1

GERMANY----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

He 51 A-1

He 51 B-1

He 51 C-1

He 51 C-1/L

CR.42 German

G.50 serie 2 German

G.50 AS serie 7 German

C.200 serie 3 German

C.200 serie 7 German

C.202 German

He-111 H-3

JU-87 B-2

JU-87 R-2

JU-87 D-3

JU-87 D-5

JU-87 G-1

HS-129 B-2

HS-129 B-3

ME-410 B-2/U4

ME-410 A-1/U4

ME-410 A-1

Do-217 J-1

Do-217 J-2

Do-217 N-1

He-112 A-0

He-112 V-5

He-112 B-0

BF-109 E-1

BF-109 E-3

BF-109 F-1

BF-109 F-4

BF-109 F-4/trop

All Fw.190 Anton, Frederich and Dora*1

Ta-152H*1

I do not have all the planes in Germany but I have most rank 1 and 2 some rank 3 and a few rank 4

Please fix Gaijin :)

EDIT 1: Added planes to the list EDIT 2: Added more japanise planes to the list *1 Contributed by "CirnoNewsNetwork" https://www.reddit.com/user/CirnoNewsNetwork

*2 Contributed by "MinisterforFun" https://www.reddit.com/user/MinisterforFun

Posted May 22, 2019, 7:10 AM UTC · edited

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Olive-PeelRepair costs too high gaijin plz fix•

Post this on the forums, gaijin doesn't look at reddit

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ReahsOP•
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fullns•

have you been banned yet?

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ReahsOP•

Not yet but if I do remember me

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[deleted]•

Gone but not forgotten

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prueba_hola•

the Link not work

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ReahsOP•

It does not work yet because the post is still awaiting approval by the forum staff

"EDIT"(have waited for 19 hours)"EDIT"

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wolverinehunter002│≡G≡U≡L≡A≡G≡│CaptainBallistic•

Pm a tech mod, usually when it has been a while you need to give a tech mod a quick PM, then they will look at your thread and as questions if needed, also possibly open it for public if they think community help may be needed.

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WanhopeMOD=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

You should link this at the top of your main post

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SolltuGib Bf 109 K-6 pls•

Shit like this should be on the top of the sub, not the 17th screenshot of the daily login reward.

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

Check again

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SolltuGib Bf 109 K-6 pls•

Damn you and your mod-shenanigans

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

<3

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n988Vietnam = Worst Map in WT History•

Don't forget the "omg my first jet!!"

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BigHardMephisto3.7 is still best BR overall•

Always the 163 too lol

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fidelcasbro17•

Oops lol wrong choice!

Edit: oops I thought you said He 162

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SomeRandomDeafDudeMe-262A-1a/U4 is life.•

Eventually, but not now, they will.

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FasterSquid•

Or, as Gajin will...

“Bug fixes? But.... what about this prototype from after WW2 that never was actually made?”

But yeah, give it two years or so.

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Church401•

XD

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SaltSaltSaltSalt•

You know there are bug fixes every major patch yeah?

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generic-and-simple•

They always take care of the major glitches that can break the game entirely but they don’t put as much focus on the small ones. For example the gunsight on the AMX-40’s commander gun is misaligned. The scope points to the side while the gun shoots straight. The thing is gaijin doesn’t care about this because a small portion of people play the AMX-40 and an even smaller group even have a bind for manual mg control. The Reddit community loves to focus on these small bugs and talk shit about gaijin as much as possible in hopes to get a message through and spread this to the community so more people can complain about it. This has worked a few times and backfired quite a lot. Gaijin tries to keep things working and they do a great job dealing with glitches when it’s needed, but they either don’t know about or don’t have the time to invest in to dealing with all the small glitches that pisses people off.

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

They always take care of the major glitches that can break the game entirely

No they totally don't, kill allocation has been bugged for 4 months in Air RB and they keep saying they will totally roll back the changes...but never do

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SpaceCadet0629•

client stability improved

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HolyAty•

Yea, the game looks like its bugs are being patched with every new patch, and doesn't get more and more broken. Sure.

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Rotakill•

That's why wEre OUt Of BeTa fULL ReLEaSE.

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ACNordstrom11•

"Client stability"

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CirnoNewsNetworkCe n'est pas un mème.•

I can help fill out your list, I checked all higher tier spitfire variants( from mkV onward), and all of them are affected by this DM bug. I lack the credits to buy the seafire variants though.

I will list the rest here. All of these aircraft are affected by this bug. UK Tree: All Typhoon and Tempest variants (Could not test Sea fury), All Firefly variants, All Mosquito variants, All Lancaster variants, All Sunderland variants, All Boomerang variants, All Meteor variants.

US Tree: All P-47 variants (Could not test P-47N), All P-51 variants(F-82 doesn't count- it has a P-38 style single elevator), All P-63 variants (in all trees) All F-80 variants, All F9F Panther variants (Could not test F9F-8 Cougar) All F7F variants, All Skyraider variants (AD-2 and AD-4, in all trees)

French tree: All VB.10 variants, All D.520 variants, MS.410, C.R.714, F.222.2,

Japanese tree: G4M1, All Ki-45 variants, Ki-102 otsu, Ki-96, All A6M variants, A7M2, N1K1-ja, All Ki-61 variants, Ki-100,

What little I have of the German tree: All Fw.190 Anton, Frederich and Dora variants and the Ta-152H.

I will leave the rest of the other trees for people who have more credits and more of them unlocked, lol. There are a few planes that look like they might be affected by this but have a single elevator, like a P-38 or Vampire does. They are the N.C.223.3, Brigand, Firebrand and F3D.

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ReahsOP•

Okay Thanks for your contribution I will incorporate your findings into the big list up top

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IansMind•

You missed including his findings on the higher tier spitfires, probably because it was in the intro blob rather than the list one!

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ReahsOP•

Oh yeah right it felt like I missed something just could not figure it out thanks

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MinisterforFun•

Japanese tree: G4M1, All Ki-45 variants, Ki-102 otsu, Ki-96, All A6M variants, A7M2, N1K1-ja, All Ki-61 variants, Ki-100,

  • A5M4

  • N1K1 (2.7 br)

  • J2M2

  • Ki 10 I

  • Ki 10 II

  • Ki 10 IC

  • Ki 27 otsu

  • Ki 43 I

  • Ki 43 II

  • Ki 44 I

  • Ki 44 II hei

  • Ki 43 III otsu

  • Ki 102

  • Ki 109

  • F1M2

  • D3A1

  • B5N2

  • D4Y1

  • D4Y2

  • D4Y3 ko

  • Ki 21 Ia

  • H6K4

That’s all I’ve bought so far.

u/Reahs

Edit: Oops, sorry. Didn’t notice you already mentioned some.

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ReahsOP•

Sorry for the late response (I've been busy) but I will add your list into the big list

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Ricky_RZ•

We don't need fixed damage models, we need 12.0 tanks and jets!

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-Gaijin dev team

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ArchdukeFranzRIP•

Why not a list with not broken damage models?

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ReahsOP•

I made this list at midnight and was tired so I only made a list of broken damage models but I could make a list of not broken today maybe

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

I think he was joking because there's so many broken ones that listing the other way would have been easier

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ReahsOP•

that's right xD

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SnakeTheFox•

While we're at it, can we get the P-61's controls fixed? IRL they had redundant control cables so if for example one elevator control cable got destroyed, there was a backup.

Gaijin doesn't give it that feature in-game, but that's not the dumbest part.... they actually modelled the redundant cables, as you can tell from the the x-ray module view: but they ironically make it far less survivable than other planes, because if either of those redundant cables gets hit, it destroys the whole control surface module, and you lose all control.

It's so stupid and backwards it makes my head hurt, Gaijin.

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SkullLeaderJack the sound barrier. Bring the noise.•

Great work. Unfortunately this is probably but one of many ways that damage models are broken on a lot of planes. My current favorite is the SM.92, which, since its introduction, will have either or both props act like they hit the ground, folding back and killing the engine, if an enemy bullet passes anywhere near them.

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Edolix•

It's been a couple of months since I last flew it and I gave up flying it entirely because the props going full banana peel mode from any sort of gunfire makes it pretty much useless.

It's appalling that they still haven't fixed this, considering how long its been.

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Scrouchh•

Then it's probably time to fix 20mm cannons and balance 20mm ammunitions no ?

Bored by MG 151 instant kill when JAP and UK 20mm can't deal any damage (even to get assists ...)

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MegaDriverXTAM: Totally Awesome Medium •

As a heavy user of Mitchell's I agree the DM sux. My tail shouldn't come off every time

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n988Vietnam = Worst Map in WT History•

A-26's tail is made of paper as well

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

Uhhh what is shooting you that you feel it's paper?

If it's some FW then yeah it should get shredded like paper with so much MG151 slinging at it.

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eskimobrother3196 - 5 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 5 - 1•

Yeah it's weird especially on lading if I have any tail damage sometimes it just detaches...

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ReahsOP•

Thanks "fortnite_gaymer" for the silver :)

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warlord2335•

While we’re at it can we fix the bomber’s tail sections?

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CiE-Caelib•

Gaijin is making a huge mistake in neglecting the core game with all of this new stuff they are adding. There are so many problems that have piled up over the years that really need to be addressed. If they do not stop all of this new development and instead focus on fixing major problems with their game (such as matchmaking/balance), there wont be anyone around to foot the bill for all the players who have never contributed a dime to the game.

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TheFlyingRedFox•

unfortunately the English Electric Canberra also suffers this same with most bombers annoys the shit outta me and this crap started just around when they buff german 20mm back in June 2018 I wish gaijin would bloody fix this ffs.

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

It wasn't a cannon change. It was them implementing helicopters and taking their usual shortcuts which impacted the tails of all planes which is most noticeable in bombers afaik.

Turns out an incredibly effective round that was designed to punch in deep (and therefor effective against heavier targets) would lay waste to them.

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Danish_SavageAll of the tiers•

I'm sorry Wanhope, but you could not be more wrong at how minengeschoss work.

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Here is a quote from the wiki-page: '' The new invention was highly successful. It was, indeed, less effective at penetrating deep into target aircraft or breaching their internal armour than the conventional rounds used by the RAF in WW II,[2] but the power of the explosions inflicted serious damage wherever they occurred within the structure of the plane, rendering these apparent disadvantages less relevant ''

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It is thinner-walled shells, with high amounts of explosives, with a contact fuse on the nose. The fuse has minimal delay, causing explosions against the skin of the aircraft, or inside when the craft when shooting at short ranges. This is preferreable, as it prevents most overpenetrations. The British had the same concept with their HE-FI-SAPI rounds.

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IronGearGaming•

The old Bf110 C4 had the best tonka tough DM. New 110 had a horrible DM (fragile and low damage would make thing stall on the spot or death spiral.) but got much better now, bettee than most but not as much than old C4. It's one of those rare planes I know that can loose half a elevator.

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IronGearGaming•

For USSR, the russian IL-2/10 got HUGE issues with elevator and tail control, the plane will almost alway die from the tail control just ripping away from nearly anything. Similar issue with Sm.92 and Pe-2/3

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MinisterforFun•

Italy Affected:

  • S. 81
  • CR 42
  • G 50 Serie 2
  • G 50 AS Serie 7
  • Ju 87 R2 (can someone help verify, not sure)
  • C200 Serie 3
  • C200 Serie 7
  • C202
  • SM 79 Serie 1
  • SM 79 Serie 8
  • Ju 87 D3 (can someone help verify, not sure)
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ChaoticSaint•

love how 50 cals are just all HE rounds now just explode anything they hit... this after just playing for an hour getting salty now just finding out they broke their game even more

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JackSW90•

You're right and I hope Gaijin notices it. Also some non-damaged models are completly broken. For example the Blenheim and all the Beaufighters deserve better models and skin quality, not to mention the fact that the A5M's damaged "skin" has black "spots" instead of alpha holes.

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WanhopeMOD=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

#Community News:


How about we also finish fixing the kill/assist allocation in Air RB while we are at it?

It's been more than 4 months of issues (and on and off issues with bomber kill allocation for nearly a year before that) It's gotten better, but considering it's an essential function...

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ReahsOP•

UPDATE: The post on the forums has been closed and sent to the developers for further investigation

So we won I guess

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xtanolespresso is 150 octane fuel for your body•

How about we don't derail the topic at hand, and if we insist on doing so; how about we don't sticky it so it's the first thing that pops up on a post that has obviously taken a lot of effort?

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Wanhope=λόγος= Gib Reggiane - 🍁 •

I can understand the sentiment but will disagree on this basis:

  • First, I stickied the entire post to the top of the sub prior, that's about as far from derailed as it can be. A day ago it was passed on to developers as well. Definitely nothing derailed or devalued.

  • Secondly, in every sticky we put some sort of community news/events and major posts, at a minimum. To keep people informed and give exposure to community initiatives.

  • A distant third, the allocation being broken to Air is a serious longstanding issue, much like the longstanding Aircraft DM issues. And since the community as a whole has not been particularly supportive of Air battle plights (and instead almost solely focuses on tanks, as shown by the FPE/Parts riots) I felt it prudent to piggyback the issue.

I concede that I should have swapped the order with community news on top, and starting with "how about" makes it sound like I'm downplaying the effort of the post, which was not my intent whatsoever. Hence the subreddit sticky in the first place. I have reversed the order of the post, though leaving the original wording intact, so you can see how much the tone seems to change just from that alone.

Your feedback will be kept in mind for future stickied posts. We always want people to feel comfortable giving feedback and it's the only way to actually know if the way I/we carry on bothers anyone.

Thank you.

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