Anti-abortion protestors demonstrating by TO high schools
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Posted May 24, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC
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Please do not call 911, that line is for emergencies and life or death situations. Even if you don't agree with them its not hate speech so you can't do anything about it. Just act like a reasonable human being and ignore it. As stupid as it is to tell someone what to do with their body, they have the right to protest that what it means to live in a free society.
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I've been in situations where I didn't know the number, 416-808-2222, but I would call 911 and just say "non emergency please", and invariably I'd be cut off before I could finish "please" and be transferred already.
Just be clear when you call. "This is not an emergency."
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Okay. No 911. However, I consider anti-abortion propaganda hate speech.
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technically, it's not hate speech, but the images they use definitely should fall under obscene content, though they don't, but some politicians are challenging that.
in 1984, there was a move to expand "obscene" from more than just showcasing sexy time stuff to a more holistic slew of items under the theory that exposure to obscene content of images can cause harm:
" For the purposes of this Act, any matter or thing is obscene where a dominant characteristic of the matter or thing is the undue exploitation of any one or more of the following subjects, namely, sex, violence, crime, horror or cruelty, through degrading representations of a male or female person or in any other manner "
If a bill were passed with this type of definition, that type of content shown on those posters would be banned, however it would still grant them freedom of expression (so they woudnt be able to challenge on that ground), to present their POV, but without all the images they show.
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Hey you wouldn't happen to be one of those people who called 911 to complain about the amber alert notification at 5am?
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Are you one of those people who call 911 when their feelings are hurt? Judging by your post: yes.
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LOOOL
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I agree, but most of these anti abortion protesters use disgusting misleading pictures of fetuses as a shock technique, high school kids don’t need to see that garbage. Targeting kids trying to learn is not a good way to get your point across.
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Yes but you should never call 911 for non emergencies.
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Oh 100% agree, 911 has its hands tied up with people in much more dire situations. Use the non emergency number.
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911 is also busy with amber alert complaints. All about the priorities!
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Agreed. I wish people with rational views could have more of a voice than the people at the extremes of the spectrum
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no one cares what moderate people (hi everyone!) think.
If you're not with group X, you're against them.
Shows in our politics too.
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Yes. Classic cons owning the libs and libs owning the cons . It is too simplistic many issues are grey.
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i think thats why most moderates give up.
My own view on abortion doesn't fit in the 100% against nor for the 100% for - I don't subscribe to absolutes, and there are times where a specific situation is hard to categorize under either umbrella, but that's life, and we accept that policy for so many other situations.
But i've been drawn into conversations on both sides, only to be dumped on from both ends because those that have a very strong opinion tend to gravitate towards the binary view. But from a practical standpoint, that's the easiest way to legislate since there are 1,000 shades of in between and how the hell can you draft any kind of legislation around that?
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That's the problem with people these days, they take everything so personal instead of ignoring it. I support a women's right to choose, I also know people have the right to protest no matter how stupid.
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Being pro-choice but saying there's two sides is very much like: "there's 2 sides to every situation in Charlottesville" for ex. The Supreme Court decided since 1969 that women have the right to make their own healthcare choices about their own individual bodies. End of story. Full stop. Just because once things were a certain way doesn't mean that very old way needs reviving.
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If a group of protesters had signs that black people should be slaves, is that within their rights? This is a serious question. What makes something ok or not?
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This is a stupid question. They are not not all equivalent.
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Call police non-emergency and report these people are by the school showing obscenity and other parents do not like it. Escalation may happen shortly.
This is enough for them to proceed.
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Last summer I saw some anti-evolution protesters (yes it's still a thing) handing out pamphlets to school kids at the local primary school. They also put up some posters along the street. It's funny, but also sad in a way. Those poor people will believe anything, to avoid reality. IMO they should stay away from children.
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I saw an anti-evolution display at the Wilberforce Fair a couple of years ago. Was pathetic.
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911 is not a complaint line.
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Bu you used not to complained about an amber alert.
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shallow dig. don't worry about it.
While i appreciate their zeal about the abortion sign issue (that stuff is obscene) i think they're being a tad immature at handling the merited criticism about thinking about calling 911, but they've gotten the message now.
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Please dont call 911... it's not an emergency. Only use 911 for emergency issues as resources are not unlimited and you could be delaying response to an actual emergency.
Call the police main line and report them.
You can try to confront them, but I dont think you're going to change people on the fringes/extreme to change their mind, no more than they could change yours.
If you want to help, support your local Planned Parenthood with a donation.
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Can you explain to me why anti-abortion rhetoric is considered hate speech?
I support a woman's right to choose, but don't understand why op thinks the anti rhetoric is hate.
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Well I think it's because of the specific rhetoric used. For example, if these are the same folks with the giant glossy photos of miscarriages on their picket signs and they accuse women of being baby murderers - well that kind of crosses a line. Would you agree?
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But does it cross the line into hate speech, and if so how so?
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Well legally, that's for the courts to decide - but in a more casual sense? The accusation of murdering babies is textbook hate speech. Accusing a group of people of being baby murderers can certainly be reasonably seen as inciting hatred against them.
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Who is the identifiable group?
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I thought those were pictures of sweet and sour pork!! :(
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They are accusing women who get abortions of being baby murderers. Not all women. That is a subset of women and not a protected Class. It’s hateful and upsetting but not hate speech. It may well be there is another crime the protesters are committing but it’s not hate speech.
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Hatred is predicated on destruction, and hatred against identifiable groups therefore thrives on insensitivity, bigotry and destruction of both the target group and of the values of our society. Hatred in this sense is a most extreme emotion that belies reason; an emotion that, if exercised against members of an identifiable group, implies that those individuals are to be despised, scorned, denied respect and made subject to ill-treatment on the basis of group affiliation
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Uh, no I disagree. Your excuse would mean "but I have one black friend" is a viable defense for KKK members.
"Baby murderer" is textbook hate speech.
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Anti-abortionists should be handing out condoms if they are against abortion, male anti-abortionists should voluntarily get vasectomies and be charged with murder if they masterbate. Anti-abortionsist should adopt multiple children with high medical needs, as well along with being anti-abortion they should support massive spending on social programs for disadvantaged groups. The fact that anti-aboirtionsist are also conservatives, and against social supports for disdanvatged groups, male anti-abortionist refuse to get vasecotomies just goes to show its one issue deliberately, inflammatory hatespeech. They only want to dictate what individual women choose to do in a private healthcare scenario. Which violates women's rights to determine what they do in a healthcare scenario with their own bodies and control one specific organ in a woman's body.
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But you forget — Jesus effing hates condoms and masturbation!
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I always wonder how religious people justify a miscarriage... why is it not "God's Abortion"... ?
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Totally. If someone has a miscarriage, an all-powerful supernatural being that sees all exists, then 'God' desired the misscarriage. Just as God who made humans, enabled them to develop medical technology to allow abortions! They anti-abortionists can't handle the cognitive dissonance of it all! LOL
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Lol. So on one hand you believe In choice. But anyone who disagrees deserves a vasectomy againts their will?
And why do you assume that the antiabortion is againts procreation?
Like you are as much of a hypocrite as they are.
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No I am just pointing out how utterly hypocritical the anti-abortion protestors are in fact.
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I don't like those anti-abortion protesters either, but what they say doesn't quite meet the legal standard of hate speech.
Also, which Supreme Court ruling are you referring to? R v Morganthaler was in 1988.
Finally, unless there is actual physical violence, don't call 911. Call the non-emergency line.
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Removing as Rule 6
this has been posted about and discussed AD INFINITUM.
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/batg4l/psa_antiabortion_protesters_at_yongequeen/
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/9z3nnr/psa_antichoicers_at_union_station/
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/8xpi36/warning_prolife_propaganda_being_left_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/96y3p8/psa_antichoice_antiwomen_hate_group_with_huge/
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/96y07q/psa_antiabortion_protesters_with_large_graphic/
etc
Theres nothing new here.
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Consider the Toronto Police Main Line instead of 911 to avoid tying up emergency services. It's 416-808-2222
Okay. Good suggestion. The students were all very riled up & yelling at the protestors during this interaction as well.