Muslim extremists predictably target South Park writers
news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/19/security-brief-...Posted Apr 20, 2010, 5:12 PM UTC
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The answer to this kind of extremism needs to be wall to wall images of Muhammad on bumper stickers, billboards, and web pages.
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How about showing a picture of Muhammad raping a nine year old girl.
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It's sad, isn't it?. This is how you know how a billion people can be uterly evil and "flip" the concept of good and evil:
If your the kind of person who says "but you don't understand. In those times, it was different..."
then you are utterly evil. Raping of marrying a 9 year old is evil and those that justify it are monsters. Sure, it happened a lot in the past. It happens today. That doesn't make it right.
There was a time when it was OK to sacrifice people to increase crop yeilds. Those that say "Its wrong to judge... Those are different times" are MONSTERS and they know it.
Here's how you know you are wrong in your beliefs: you hold TWO oposite ideas simultaneously.
You can't say it's ok to marry a 9 or 10 year old in the past but not now. These thoughts are conflicted and pick a side. Be consistent.
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What? Of course you can. Social norms and mores change all the time. They change in the same area over several generations, and they vary from place to place.
Only two centuries ago slavery was commonplace and the early presidents all had slaves, does that mean that they have no value in the modern day because of this? Of course not, because their actions were within the norms of their times.
Part of being an objective person is to not impose your viewpoints on other people. I may disagree with how some historical figure acted, but I'm not going to cast him away if it was normal for his (or her) times.
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Moral relativism is a tricky bitch. I could argue that some values are universal, and transcend time. I would assert that murder, for instance, has always been reviled. I could make the same argument of defiling a little girl.
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There really isn't such a thing as "good" and "evil". I can't think of any sensible way to define these terms. Just because you wouldn't want something to happen to yourself or loved ones does not make that act evil. And just because something benefits you or a loved one does not make the act "good".
Instead, I've come to the conclusion that "good" and "evil" are adjectives that solely serve religious rhetoric. These words mean nothing unless they are attached to some sort of ordained moral code.
So, if you're going to claim that you know good and evil better than the "billion people", then it would appear to me that you're really not as different as you think.
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Great Idea, lets start with these ones drawn by Muslims: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maome.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mohammed_receiving_the_submission_of_the_Banu_Nadir.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Medieval_Persian_manuscript_Muhammad_leads_Abraham_Moses_Jesus.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muammad-as-youth-meeting-monk-bahira-compendium-persia-1315-edin-550.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mohammed_kaaba_1315.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muhammad-Majmac-al-tawarikh-1.jpg
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Brilliant idea! I just voted up every one of your submissions. Post your group over in the atheists' subreddit along with this thread. Let's get that subreddit filled and voted up.
For the record, if you get assassinated, though, I will feel bad. Terrible, in fact.
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Some are arguing that this website, revolutionmuslim.com, is a false flag operation, not run by actual Muslims, but rather by those who profit from animosity between Muslims and Non-Muslims. If true, you would be playing directly into their hands.
This article points out that RevolutionMuslim.com was founded by Joseph Cohen, an American-born Jew. Seems suspect to me.
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He may be Jewish by birth, but he's definitely not a Jew anymore.
Formerly known as Joseph Cohen, al-Khattab is an American-born Jew who converted to Islam after attending an Orthodox Rabbinical school, which he later described as a “racist cult.”
The 39-year-old New York taxi driver launched RevolutionMuslim.com with the mission of “preserving Islamic culture,” “calling people to the oneness of God” and asking them to “support the beloved Sheik Abdullah Faisal, who’s preaching the religion of Islam and serving as a spiritual guide.”
Nothing like the zeal of a convert.
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No one is born a Jew or any other religion.
/semantics
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But the Jews are also a race, so you can be born one.
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Right, he currently claims to be a Muslim. Which is what he would have to claim, in order to pull off a false flag operation. I don't know with 100% certainty that this is a false flag, but my BS meter is shooting off when a guy who poses for photos like this, screams: Hey Everybody, I'm a Muslim and therefore Death to South Park!
The guy's story doesn't really add up at all. Here is a rant about him by someone who does not question Cohen's sincerity, but does point out that Cohen might get paid, by unknown sources, to be a loud Muslim.
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Or he's an agent provocateur.
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That may or may not be true, but that's just one site. There's no doubt there are extremist Muslims in the world who have a huge problem with depictions of Muhammad.
Just a couple of months ago that Dutch cartoonist was nearly killed - years later.
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Exactly the kind of argument Mr Cohen wants you to make. Doesn't matter if this particular case is fraud, Muslims are still dangerous horrible people who freak out and kill people over nothing. You don't even seem upset to find out that you are being conned. Have you no anger towards Cohen over this deceit?
BTW did you know that in Iran it is custom to make paintings of Mohammad? You can buy pictures of Mohammad in the markets in Tehran, and there is no problem. You don't hear a lot about that though, because it doesn't further people like Cohen's interests.
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Whoa... hang on. I'm being very specific by calling out extremists in the Muslim community. I'm not idiotic enough to think there are one billion or so people in this world willing to kill over a cartoon.
However, no one made up the riots that occurred all over the world when that Danish cartoon came out - although the riots did occur months after the initial printing, so I suppose there is room there for some sort of Jewish based conspiracy.
All I'm saying is that for those extremists who do care enough to commit violence - well, they need to be eliminated. Protests? They can protest all they want.
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I'm sorry I have to do this, but [CITATION NEEDED]. The only things I can find on the internet regarding anyone saying he is an agent provacateur is Superman4ever:
Another fake Muslim is Yusef al-Khattab "Joseph Cohen" and his "Revolution Muslim" gang. I've been saying it for 2 years now: He's just infiltrating the religion, to create fitna, mislead and through his loud arrogance continue the bombardment of Islam in the media. He was on CNN 2-3 weeks ago.
I did find this Friendster page. If you squint and kinda twist your head, Joseph and Yusef look alike.
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Exactly the kind of argument Mr Cohen wants you to make. Doesn't matter if this particular case is fraud, Muslims are still dangerous horrible people who freak out and kill people over nothing.
Yes, actually, it does not matter if this one isolated case is not genuine, because that does not somehow nullify the well-established trend of disproportionate, violent outrage among extremist Muslims triggered by something totally benign.
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Americans are still dangerous horrible people who freak out and kill people over nothing.
Generalizing is fun.
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People from Denmark aren't Dutch but Danes or Danish (if you prefer the adj). You are confusing them with people from Holland/The Netherlands.
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Jesus on a stick... because all those riots around the world over three fucking cartoons were orchestrated by Jews. Fuck your ignorance and bigotry.
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Sigh. I know that un-justifiable anti-semiticism runs rampant on Reddit, as do ridiculous conspiracy theories. I can see why you might want to put the questions I am bringing up into that category.
However I don't see why asking questions about Cohen and his intentions necessarily fall under the category of ignorance or bigotry. I find it hard to take this guy seriously, and I think this rant brings up some interesting issues about what this guy has been about.
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Because you are implying that any Muslim fundamentalist attack on these images MUST really be a JEW! WTF? You have no proof thus the conspiracy, where as i can cite tons and tons of actual Muslims going bat shit insane over these very same things. Each religion has plenty of stupid shit to criticize, no need to defend one at the expense of another.
*In response to your edit, all those fucktards look like that and they all say dumb shit like that so what? He looks like a typical Muslim crazy to me. This doesn't mean that many or even most Muslims aren't normal people but crazies exist all over. So what? Why does it mean he is really a jew...again WTF?
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it also points out that
Formerly known as Joseph Cohen, al-Khattab is an American-born Jew who converted to Islam after attending an Orthodox Rabbinical school, which he later described as a “racist cult.”
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Well, if he said he converted to Islam, we should take him at his word then, right? He also says he published South Park's studio address, not so that any harm would come to them, but so people would know where to protest. We should take him at his word for that too, right?
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And let me guess, is Israel behind this "false flag" operation? 9/11 too? People are crazy. Remember John Walker Lindh...crazy.
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No. The answer is to throw people who threaten other people into prison, or let them get their asses kicked by the person they threatened.
I don't see how this cuntnugget can hide behind "freedom of speech". The FBI/cops needs to get his address and arrest him for terroristic threats.
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Yep and the 4chan b/tards are responding, who do you think will win here?
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Trey and Matt used the depiction because it's "edgy" and hope they'll get people to watch their shitty show because they're being "outrageous".
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From interviews (not to mention the show itself) it seems they are very principled people, and it seems to me that they're sticking by those principles. For example, their sternness to stick to the concept of "either everything's okay, or none of it is," which was the basis of their two-part Family Guy-bashing Cartoon Wars episode, which is also what they're addressing with this "controversial" episode with Muhammad.
And yes, they do try to keep their show funny and interesting because it's their job.
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Ha...I clicked on this wondering if there was internet justice coming.
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Dear Muslim Extremists,
WOOOOOOOOSH!!!
Love,
South Park Fans
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They need to study up on the Streisand Effect and make any decisions very carefully. If something happens to the South Park guys, I can envision a future where far more offensive images of Muhammed are plastered all around the Internet with great regularity.
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Something tells me the radicals mentally capable of carrying out such barbaric forms of "justice" are incapable of such forward thinking.
I'm very willing to consider the possibility extremism of this nature requires a serious impairment of frontal lobe function. There is a thin veneer separating us from animals and I'd say extremists are probably that much closer to raw animal behavior.
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It has already begun.
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Is this site related? The site mentioned in the article is revolutionmuslim.com.
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Anonymous took them down: http://www.revolutionmuslim.com .
They've been out all day.
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Oh, its already happening, /b/ for example
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Ah yes, the Streisand Effect.
Baabura! Baabura! Ichiban kirai na hito!
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If anyone fucks with Matt and Trey, I will track them down and bust some caps.
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You are very welcome sir. It is sad to say that I feel more pride towards Matt and Trey then I do towards our country's leaders. Probably because they speak more truth than our politicians. AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!
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Wasn't Mohammad part of the Super Best Friends episode? Why pick on this episode, there's another one and he is clearly imaged, being part of the super best friends.
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There wasn't any issue because almost nobody cared. But now because the crazies went batshit insane over those drawings, they have to say something about every instance.
Pretty much, the people complaining are douchebags.
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Looks like we got a turd in the punch bowl!
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They even openly talked about that in this 200th episode.
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Not to mention that Muhammad was included in the opener for the following few seasons.
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Like how these overly religious dickfucks say they aren't threatening Matt and Trey, but they make a comment about how they could end up like Van Gogh. Yeah, not threats there.
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"Yeah...we aren't threatening you or anything, but hey, remember that guy who got killed for doing that thing that you're doing? Yeah, anyway, totally not a threat. By the way, we gave the internet your address."
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AND the posting of addresses. "Oh no,, it's ONLY so that people can go there for tea, cookies and an enlightened relaxed chat with them"
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Here is a picture of the Prophet Mohammad, disguised as a block of text characters:
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You fucking infidel!
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Poe's law: Allah in an aubergine.
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Extremists are soooo predictable.
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Time to get rid of organized religion. Period!
If any Christians out there are upset at how Muslim try to impose their world view on non-believers, you now know how I feel about you.
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Hey! I'm a Christian! Why are you athiests always imposing your world views on us!
In other words, deal with it dude. I could do this all day.
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Can we take god out of the pledge and off of cash yet? If not, could we at least mix it up sometimes with other mythical creatures? You've got to admit "one nation under Moth Man" would sound pretty awesome.
PS: thanks for not blowing stuff up when we make fun of your prophet guy.
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Hey, I don't really see how blowing things up makes anything better. I love satire and find value in it. I wouldn't give South Park up for the world and I currently have my fingers crossed hoping Matt and Trey have the balls to show Mohammad. Knowing them, I predict they will and Mohammad will be Justin Timberlake or something.
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Maybe someone just needs to talk to you about Jesus Christ.
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Too many people already have. And stop fondling me.
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If any Christians out there are upset at how Muslim try to impose their world view on non-believers, you now know how I feel about you.
Christians may be rather obnoxious about legislating their beliefs (e.g. National Day of Prayer), but you can insult Jesus Christ or any other aspect of their religion without fear of a violent reaction. They'll just pray for you to get "saved." Islam is not so forgiving when it comes to blasphemy, as Salman Rushdie famously demonstrated.
Also, Christians don't execute people who convert from Christianity to another religion. In Sharia Law and in the legal codes of many Muslim countries, the penalty for abandoning the Muslim faith is death.
The Christian religion has become much more tolerant in general over the past few centuries. As a Jew whose ancestors were persecuted in Spain during the Inquisition, I appreciate this in a personal way.
By comparison, Islam, as it is practiced in much of the world, is still in the dark ages.
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In addition, Christianity was spread by mere word of mouth and didn't go through a violent phase until much later. By contrast, Islam spread at the point of the sword from day one.
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Interesting though that a large portion of the Jews who were driven out of Spain sought refuge in the Ottoman Empire, a Muslim nation which had a pretty high level of religious freedom...
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Good thing Trey is a black belt in tae kwan do.
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So he can roundhouse the explosion into submission? Not that I know how potential extremists would go about it, but some certainly like the bomb route...
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Chuck Norris can roundhouse explosions into submission
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I think you missed the memo but we don't like Chuck Norris anymore. I won't downvote but that's where they're coming from.
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But instead he walks away without looking.
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Because tough guys don't look at explosions.
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pfft. Chuck Norris eats an explosion every morning for breakfast.
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I wish they would reair the original super best friends episode...unedited.
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I saw that Episode. You don't even see Muhammed and he doesn't do anything but say 'ok'.
How could that piss off anybody? This is just an excuse for violence and fear to gain power over us.
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Over still photographs of Parker, Stone, van Gogh and others, the Web site runs audio of a sermon by the radical U.S.-born preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, who is now in hiding in Yemen. The sermon, recorded some time ago, talks about assassinating those who have “defamed” the Prophet Mohammed – citing one religious authority as saying “Harming Allah and his messenger is a reason to encourage Muslims to kill whoever does that.” U.S. officials say al-Awlaki is on a list of al Qaeda leaders targeted for capture or assassination.
Oh, wait, isn't he innocent until proven guilty by a court of law?
(This is the same fellow Redditors are horrified to learn is targeted by Obama for assassination.)
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I would love to know how these people find out about this kind of stuff.
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You mean - "Why are extremists watching South Park?"
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Too bad they're giving peaceful Muslims a a bad name.
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No, peaceful Muslims are giving themselves a bad name by not standing up against these bastards.
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Don't bother. No body wants to read this stuff. There was something on the front page about a Muslim cleric from Pakistan with death threats against him because he issued fatwas against terrorists and Muslims committing acts of terror.
We are here and outspoken, I don't know why people still spit out those talking points.
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We are here and outspoken, I don't know why people still spit out those talking points.
Ignorance and mindless Chauvanism combined with fear. Same reason my father-in-law, who is not on a first-name basis with a single Muslim individual, feels comfortable dismissing it as an "evil religion" from a position of profound ignorance. Bigotry sucks.
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No. What needs to happen is context-sensitive.
So in this context we have a cartoon with Mohammed in it. Extremists are fuming with anger.
What we NEED NOW (not tomorrow!) is a site representing Moderate Islam, saying "It's OK to show pictures of Mohammed. We support freedom of speech as a principle, even if some discussions make us uncomfortable."
That would be awesome. Respond to current events, now. Don't respond to something that's many years old. Too late for that now.
There are bad things happening in the Islamic world now. Respond to those. For example, the guy promoting mixing of the sexes in Mecca -- that's a good guy. He got canned though -- too bad.
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I posted this comment a while back in response to a redditor who brought up the violence over Danish Cartoons:
Maybe you should realise that a lot of the outrage has two do with the underlying context of Western countries invading two Muslim countries and slaughtering over a million Muslims. From their perspective, they see the West saying "Not only are we going to invade your countries, and slaughter, rape and torture countless of your co-religionists but we're going to insult and mock your Religion and prophet TOO... That's FREE SPEECH you stupid sand niggers!"
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For example, the guy promoting mixing of the sexes in Mecca -- that's a good guy. He got canned though -- too bad.
What on Earth are you babbling about? Men and women are not segregated while they perform the Pilgrimage in Mecca. That has been the case since the beginning.
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Any muslim who states that makes himself a potential target for the real muslims since you aren't allowed to question the Quaran aka the Word of God. Basically if you say that it's okay to show pictures of Mohammad you have renounced your faith and people who do that gets an automatic death sentence for leaving.
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Same things with the jews and christians.
Religious people are reluctant to condemn other of their own religion.
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Christian pro life groups were the first people to jump in and denounce George Tiller's murderer because they don't want to be associated with fanatics like that. I don't see that kind of response from the Muslim community very often.
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Christian pro life groups were the first people to jump in and denounce George Tiller's murderer because they don't want to be associated with fanatics like that.
False. People were praising his murderer on cable TV.
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And what do you want them to do? Get on the news? Apologize personally?
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Pretty much. That's what Christians have to do whenever some Christian nutjob or group of nutjobs goes nuts. Publicly denounce them.
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Well this just shows how little you know about Islam and Muslims. In Christianity, there is obvious structure and hierarchy in each form (eg the pope for catholics). On the other hand, Islam has absolutely no centralized authority. It is the Gnutella to the Napster of Christianity. So when you want someone to apologize to you ... you are being flat out ignorant.
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AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
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I don't know what that means.
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It's from Team America, another of Parker and Stone's movies.
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Yep. Take the recent attacks in Russia. There must have been an entire network and community directly involved, who in turn were sheltered or hidden or even just not reported by the 'peaceful' communities. Make no mistake, these people don't think or behave like us. They want their caliphate and they will use any means to get it.
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Peaceful muslims aren't real muslims according to the Quran. And since you can't pick and choose from the book (any disrespect, discussion or refusal to follow every single paragraph is in theory punishable by death). A true muslim "kills the infidels where ever he finds them" and spreads the word of God by force.
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and its their rule that "Muslims" can not make fun of their prophet. mat stone and tray parker are not
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DEY TUK ER MUHAMAD
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If you want to know more about the situation in Holland regarding this, check out this movie! you will NOT regret it.
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It's about damn time. Matt and Trey were starting to think it would never happen. This is like a second christmas for them.
Second Christmas it may be, but they better not get themselves axe-murdered like that other dude almost got.
"almost got " ? Theo Van Gogh ?
No, I think he's talking about this guy.
Separate instances. 'Other dude' is pretty vague I admit.
They would love the attention.
Here we go again with more Israeli propaganda on the homepage. From my other post.
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Revolution Islam is a fake inflammatory organization in New York run by two supposidely Jewish converts with ties to the ADL. I've seen them multiple times on Fox and CNN. They are false flag propagandists pure and simple. Here is some information collected about them:
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3427255.0
They are supposedly Jewish converts that can't spell 'Jews' properly. Here he is carrying a sign that says "Kill All Juice."
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/12/31/juice3.jpg
More bad acting and hilarity from this group:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4#t=3m28s
Here's some amusing pictures:
http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/ebgtuqi4y2t5hz6dzvsyz655egcukmvq3ofsiny64lw5hrdaxrl4k2olvvx3r7fc54icdkrw4takfp/cms20090408b.jpg http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/emi4xo4z3svzni5ouuuwstzdwhsrapod5yps7egur53airrumrd457rh7l35wbhvzep5yookrzep4g/200RMAbdullahasSayfJones1.jpg
Here is an ADL post on the group that omits the fact that they are JEWISH converts from ISRAEL.
http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/48925123-070C-411E-A42F-E23160C76E5D,DB7611A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm
If you really want to know what Muslims think I suggest you visit their forums instead of the propaganda dissemination channels like Fox News and CNN. Here's one with millions of posts: http://www.ummah.com/
EDIT: -6. Wow. And not a single shred of evidence for why I am wrong. I am done with this site full of morons. This country is doomed if these young adults are the future.
We know what muslims think, they tried to kill that cartoonist guy. Stop defending hate.
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So that justifies the actions of this group?!? Seriously? Moron.
LOL. They are the group. It's a religion.