[Discussion] I have X E3's, and I want to focus on Y content. What should I do about E5s?

Discussion

This is a discussion thread which I'd like to kick off to discuss potential strategies for people now that E5 is here.

DISCLAIMER: E5 is a brand new feature, so there is a lot to be discovered. So take all discussion here with a grain of salt.

Everyone is at a different level of progression, and have different goals they're aiming for in the game. I'd like to highlight some of the primary game modes in the game, and what may be potential E5 strategies for people depending on their level of progression. My rough thresholds assume that there is no additional 10* fodder waiting in the wings. If you do have 10* fodder, obviously you won't need to regress your current team as much.

#Beginners and Ultra Veterans/Whales

The discussion here will not be that helpful for you. If you don't have a single E3 yet, keep working towards your first E3 and by then you'll have a better grasp of your options. If you whale it up or already have a stable full of E3s along with prepared 10* fodder in anticipation of this feature you already know your hero priorities.

#I want to progress in Aspen

This mode more than any other depends on focusing all of your resources on a single hero. If you want to make progress here you should prioritize making a single E5 over anything.

  • I have 1 E3 Hero: If that hero is a good Aspen hero, advance them to E5 as you can, don't use resources anywhere other than getting 2x 10* fodder. If your current E3 is NOT a good Aspen hero, I'd recommend regressing your current E3 once you have a new Aspen focused hero at 9* and have the hero copies to take them to at least E3. Then take that new hero to E5.
  • I have 2-4 E3 Heroes: Regress 1-2 non-Aspen heroes to immediately boost your best Aspen hero to E4-E5.
  • I have 5+ E3 Heroes: Regress 2 non-Aspen heroes to immediately boost your Aspen hero to E5. Try to preserve key supporting units for other game modes.
  • I can't/don't want to regress: Advance your best Aspen hero to E5 as you can, don't use resources anywhere other than getting 2x 10* fodder.

#I want to progress in Seal Land (up through 10)

Clearing level 10 is a hugely beneficial breakpoint, so the initial focus should be on that. Best way to hit that breakpoint would again be to focus on a single hero to carry the day. Also the faction matters a lot, as some factions are much easier (Abyss, Forest) to clear than others (Shadow, Fortress). More specifically, King Barton and Valkyrie appear to be the linchpins for conquering their respective factions. Aida and Aspen also appear to be key units for Light/Dark if you are progressed enough to have E3 Light/Dark units available. Never regress a Light/Dark unit.

  • I have 1 E3 Hero: If your current E3 is Shadow or Fortress, I'd recommend regressing your current E3 once you have either King Barton or Valkyrie at 9* and have the hero copies to take them to at least E3. Take KB/Valk to E5.
  • I have 2-4 E3 Heroes: If you have one of the key Seal Land heroes at E3, regress different faction heroes to immediately boost the SL hero to E4-E5. If not, get one of those heroes to 9* and have the hero copies to take them to at least E3 before regressing.
  • I have 5+ E3 Heroes: Same as above. Try to preserve key supporting units for other game modes.
  • I can't/don't want to regress: Build KB, Valk, Aida, or Aspen to E5 as you can. Don't use resources anywhere other than promoting one of those heroes.

#I want to progress in Seal Land (beyond 10)

TBD This will require much more investigation and testing.

There was no way to clear SL-10 without a petty specialized team with at least 1-2 E3s before the E5 era, and clearing SL-11 or 12 required a dedicated full E3 team. I feel that the arrival of E5 will shake this up quite a bit.

#I want to do better against Bosses (Broken Spaces, Marauders, Guild Bosses/PFF)

This is where it gets a bit fuzzier. For example, getting a 10* Heart Watcher is more important than any E3->E5 promotion. That highlights the fact that team buffs and synergy play a much larger role here than the previous game modes discussed. The advice listed here assumes that your core support heroes (HW, Kroos, Sigmund, Vesa, Belrain, etc) can survive the majority of the fight. If not, power those units up first to at least 10* before worrying about taking any E3 to E5.

  • I have 1 E3 Hero: Assuming that your E3 is one who can dish out a lot of damage, build them up to E5. Don't use resources anywhere other than getting 2x 10* fodder.
  • I have 2-4 E3 Heroes: TBD. If you have 2 E3 heroes who can both deal around 400m damage, would you do MORE damage if you regressed one hero to promote the other to E4? I would wager not but I'm not positive.
  • I have 5+ E3 Heroes: At this level you probably have some support heroes at E3. I'd recommend regressing a couple of your support heroes to bump a damage dealer to E5. Use the leftover 9* dummies to rebuild those support heroes to E1 or E2.
  • I can't/don't want to regress: Focus on promoting your best damage dealer to E5. Don't use resources anywhere other than promoting one of those heroes.

#I want to do better in PvP

Disclaimer: I am not a PvP focused player, others will likely be much more qualified to make an evalution here than I will

PvP again is more about team synergy than other game modes. There is also a more diverse meta which means that your choices will be largely dependant upon what type of PvP team you build.

The only advice I have here is that if you have multiple E3 units, you can regress some E3 heroes to steal their 10* dummies as needed and use the leftover 9* dummies to reconsitute them as E1 or E2. In this way you can not cripple your team, while still boosting the anchor of your team. For example if your rainbow team revolves around Valkyrie out-surviving everyone till she eventually wins, regressing a Kroos and Ormus to get her to E5 then rebuilding those supports to E2 will likely be a net positive for your team. But if your rainbow team utilizes a Dark Arthindol for fast burst, obviously she'd be the target of that E5 promotion.

#I want to do better in Brave Trial/Tower of Oblivion

Who are you people? Does anyone even care about these game modes?

Posted May 31, 2019, 5:33 PM UTC

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SaltyInstance•

> I want to do better in Brave Trial/Tower of Oblivion> Who are you people? Does anyone even care about these game modes?

Someone with only one 6* Mirage who just wanna get a lvl 3 chest and have enough scales to open it :(

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JConqistadorOP•

Someone with only one 6* Mirage that just wanna get a lvl 3 chest and have enough scales to open it :(

Relish your early levels. If you have a 9* Norma with 5*+ gear and no other hero above 5-6* you'll more easily clear Brave Trial than someone with a couple of E3's due to the idiotic matchmaking.

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SaltyInstance•

I was even thinking about foddering her cause she isn't top in end game.
Not gonna do it :P Thanks!
Guess I gotta think smaller since reaching endgame will take me a looooot of time.

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ninja__throwaway•

This

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Atgardian•

It sounds like the general consensus in most game modes if you have 2–4 E3 units (I have Valk + Vesa), is to regress one of the support units to boost your main to E5. Kinda depresses me to lose Vesa, I know it's just nostalgia & she's not all that anymore, but man I remember starting out she was THE hero I was hoping to pull. I bet you emotion-less monsters are going to tell me to fodder my 10* Jahra (my first 10* who carried me for months!) next...

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IdleTorian•

Long live Vesa! She was my first 10* and just carried me for so long. Took her all the way to E3, she helped me pass Seal 10 but I had to regress her, sadly. Still have 10 copies in my bag and won’t fodder them anytime soon, I may actually even rebuild her to progress further in Seal Land, we’ll see.

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argentimson•

Jahra was my first 5* hero that was any good. She's 10* now and I know I should use her as e5 food but it cuts me deep to do so.

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Thorn_the_Cretin•

The hurt is understandable. My first 10* was IB when he was still good. Took me all the way until after e3 came out to finally let him go. And Jahra is decent, IB has been trash tier for a long time.

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Atgardian•

YES! Exactly. Same here.

If I were a robot, she'd be sacrificed to bump up Valk or Aida, no question.

But considering this is a game that is supposed to be fun...?

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Martyr-X•

Someone speculated that jahra could get a big boost due to how dots are being affected by the new changes. So maybe hold on at least until the new maths have settled!

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Zephynx4476•

I want to do beter in Brave Trial/Tower of Oblivion. Who are you people? Does anyone even care about these game modes?

Lmaoo

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wonsorrr•

Actually I have e3 Valk, Aida, King Barton and Skerei.

Big question now: regress King Barton or Skerei to boost Valk and Aida to e5?

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JConqistadorOP•

Really depends on what you want to go for. If you want to clear Light SL-10 I hear E5 Aida can do that alone. E5 Valk will be great for Aspen and PvP. Skerei I wouldn't touch if you plan to make a second. KB would be the best to regress, but only if you don't care about Abyss SL-10+.

Keep in mind that regressing an E3 will give you 4x 9* and 1x 10*. You will need 2 10* to get E3 to E5 so you'd still need to build a fodder up to the normal way to 9* and then have an additional 2x copies and a same faction 6* to get your second 10* out of a single regression.

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wonsorrr•

Thanks for the input. Yes I am aware, that more fodder is needed, but I definetly want to regress one of both.

Valk and Aida will instantly be e5 afterwards. My problem is that I don’t have copies for a second skerei, missing even 1 for e5. I think I’ll never get a second one because next thing will be aspen. That’s a huge problem cause 1 skerei alone isn’t that great

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FriedasBoss83•

I have E3 valk (w/ copies for E5), E3 Jahra (no copies), 10 star KB (w/ copies for E5), 10 star Xia (w/ copies for E3), 9 star HW (w/ copies for 10), and some other copies of good heroes and little bit of fodder but nothing close to a 10 star at the moment.

Would y’all regress Jahra to build Valk quickly? Assuming you’re focused primarily on Aspen and Seal Land with a small desire to do p well in PvP at some point.

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JConqistadorOP•

I may hold onto that hero particularly. She was on the cusp of being good and now that DOTs scale with skill damage she may work out to being a much better unit than she used to be.

That being said, regression preserves the hero copies so all you'd lose is a bit of time to get her back up to E3+ in the future if that's what you wanted.

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OTPLiss•

Have E3 valk, E3 FS, E2 cthugha, E2 horus, E1 Aspen and 8* aida

I always wanted to do the combo Valk-FS-Cthugha rainbow, but thinking that E5 valk will have stupid amount of burn damage because of her High HP pool, I was thinking that cthugha builded to HP/HP attempting to neutralize opposing valk will waste a shitload of my valk's damage, so, it would be decent idea to regress my cthugha and Replace him with Kroos, then throw Horus slot 1? Or it would be better continue with the cthugha and build him for the max HP, even if it could result in a wasted damage?

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JConqistadorOP•

I'd say it's too early to know that level of detail about relative power levels of specific heroes and team synergy at E3 vs E5. More detailed information will come as time goes on so I'd say hold if you're on the fence.

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OTPLiss•

Thank you dude :) and being calm, you are right. The New system Just come out yesterday, so ill limit to build fooder whenever I can

Thank you for your answer

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ThELud0•

My current E3s are KB, Barea and Valk. I already have the copies needed to E5 all of them, but obviously not the fodder.

I’ve been playing as a FTP since around a year and half, and that’s why I know that I won’t be able to get any of the 3 to E5 without regressing another or waiting for months. Knowing that I’ve already cleared SL 10 and reached Hell in Aspen, which hero should I regress and which one should I get to E5 ?

Im leaning towards E5 Valk because, well, it’s Valk but Barea also tempts me, I feel like he can be an interesting hero in the E5 meta.

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JConqistadorOP•

Tough to say right now. Valk seems to be a safe pick, Barea would be interesting as an armor shredder if Sig's damage nerf sticks. KB is *probably* the least attractive option if you're already past SL10. But he may allow you to clear SL 14 or something in the future, so who knows.

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fuckboibenny•

I have an E3 valk and E3 aida. Overall i should focus on getting aida to E5 first right?

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JConqistadorOP•

I'd say aida has comfortably taken the title of "most broken hero" from Valk so I'd lean that way. But neither is a bad choice imo.

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fuckboibenny•

I should add that i already have 2 more copies of valk, but not aida

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KeverKatever•

E3 Horus, Valk, E2 Vesa...

have 2 horus copies, no valk copies...

should i regress Vesa once i have 2x9* with 10 copies and put em in Horus or should i go for valk copies?

i love horus but im not sure it this is the right way :/

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Rexkat•

I'm currently considering regressing my siggy to boost my valk, but given the nerf/buff/rebalancing going on, I'm worried I may end regretting that.

I'm currently sitting on e3 valk, e3 siggy, e3 Skerei, e3 Michelle, e2 Horus, 10* mihm, and a 10* HW switch. If anyone has any other thoughts or opinions.

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kilead123•

I have e3 valk (2 copies already in bag), 10* KB, 9FS,9 cthuga ,6* aida and 6* Xia. Should I sacrafice KB to get valk to e4?

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ristlincin•

Hi guys, I could use some advice.

My current team is Valk E3, Groo E1, Vesa 10, Orus 10, Sig 9 and Aspen 8

I have enough copies to E5 Valk, which is my goal, but do I regress Groo or use the Vesa? (or both)

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