A{nother} FREE Speach forum? SURE THAT WILL FIX IT ALL!

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First step of becoming mature and sober is to accept that there is no such thing as free speach. Running your mouth, publishing your opininion, venting your spleen, however you wish to call it has a very real personal cost. The Cliff Notes version is simply: you first need to embrace personal responsibility for all foreseeable consequences of your speach. Second, unless you are willing to submit your posited statement and argument to the purifying forge of your own internal revisionist review, then why even bother publishing externally. You have to know that the much more intelligent Court of Them is about to introduce your idea a the patented Kaytel hopper with a chopper, slicer and dicer. You see, there is always a personal price to be paid for any freedom.

I do not for one minute believe that JP's motives are completely altruistic. Hell, neither are mine. Nor yours for that matter, if we are just being honest for a moment. But his message is undeniably clear, "first take responsibility for the consequences of your existence". Man is a consciousness in search of meaning, on a quest for significance, an interrogation of reality about self definition. The price you need to pay is your willingness to accept and receive with grace the very answers you seek.

So like any freedom, which is never free, free speach has a bordered definition. So also consider, I beg you, what value have you placed on anything you received for free? If it does not cost you, you will not value it and you certainly won't protect it for yourself or others. You won't even notice it gone!

So my learned friends, start with seeking personal responsibility before you claim a right to any freedom. These are not simple questions and they do not have facile answers. Are you willing to defend a Keegstra for teaching that perhaps the holocaust did not happen exactly as we told in the official version? Oh, I had you up until that moment, didn't I?

Posted Jun 13, 2019, 3:33 PM UTC

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TheMythof_FeminismThe Dragon of Chaos [Libertarian/Minarchist]•

First step of becoming mature and sober is to accept that there is no such thing as free speach.

Well that's an epic fail right out of the gate.

I understand that people in the U.S.call it "free speech", but in many nations including mine, we call it liberty of expression, which is much more far reaching than "free speech" as a concept and is something worth defending with great vigor.

you first need to embrace personal responsibility

Yawn.

Liberty of expression is fine as it is. You appear to be a salty leftist.

So like any freedom, which is never free, free speach has a bordered definition. So also consider, I beg you, what value have you placed on anything you received for free

Might be one of the most asinine pieces of rhetoric I've read all year.

Liberty of expression or "free speech" are natural rights. They are in essence, liberties protected by government for the nation's citizenry to be able to interact freely. You, like many leftists before you, are confusing liberty/rights with subjugation which is literally the opposite concept.

Are you willing to defend a Keegstra for teaching that perhaps the holocaust did not happen exactly as we told in the official version?

Not sure what that is, but sure. If some guy wants to say that, he has the liberty to do so. I get that you are a leftist, OP, but I suspect it is worse than that. You are probably from a nation that is wildly leftist and think that your subjugation rhetoric is just "normal" rather than the atrocity that it actually is.

Oh, I had you up until that moment

Not really, your arguments were terrible and that argument was even worse because the answer is just a point-blank "Yes, sure. People are free to have their own beliefs." , do you disagree? probably.

OP = hardcore leftist.

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Deatey734•

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