Patreon is removing erotic hypnosis content. It's a dangerous sign for porn
dailydot.com/irl/patreon-hypnosis-porn-ban-se...Posted Jun 13, 2019, 6:56 PM UTC
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Where do they separate fantasy/erotic story and porn and "glorifying sexual violence" though?
It's entirely based on opinion rather than a guideline.
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A couple of things worth keeping in mind though.
According to the twitter feed of the person mentioned, the author of the article didn't speak to anyone, they just sourced that from tweets and posts.
Also, the letter devotes a paragraph to pointing out content relating to minors.
So while they leave the terms and conditions quite broad to give them more protection, its probably the "shota and loli" stuff that made them act rather than just the more broad category of erotic hypnosis
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Great point - I think a lot of us would have missed that in the Article. It's important to remember these things are written to get clicks. So the Erotic Hypnosis community will most likely be fine as long as we stay away from "loli hypno". I've seen a couple of hypnosis blogs using My Little Pony pictures to reference Hypnokink, for example - so as long as we avoid that sort of wildly inappropriate conduct, we will be fine.
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Indeed, and well spotted!
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I hope you're both correct.
The letter from Patreon, though, seems unambiguous.
Paragraphs two and three just don't leave much wiggle room. I have no doubt that the loli content drew more notice than most creators would but... I just don't see any ambiguity.
There are also two other creators cited in the article - midorikonton and hypnotic harlequin. I haven't checked out their content in a while, but it definitely never seemed loli to me at all.
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(I hope to god the one auto downvote in here is a bot; if it's a one person brigade, that's pretty sad.)
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Good catch! Checking now after work, it looks like all the hypnotists I follow are still up, but they could still be hit in the future with terms as broad as those. That's why I'd advocate for content creators to create their own platform, in general, but especially nsfw content creators.
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For those of us who just do audio content, hosting our own stuff isn't much problem, but getting a payment processor for anything adult is still becoming more and more of an issue, even if we host our own.
But for hypnotists who incorporate any kind of nudity, there's the added issue that any site hosted in the US is supposed to have it's record keeping information posted to the site which could be a security issue if they don't want to pay the money for a third party record keeper, who would then be technically hosting the content.
It's all a whole lot of pain in the ass and added expense to host adult content on a site for one content creator, honestly. It's easier to just play within the rules on someone else's website.
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Be great if everyone could do that but it's not always practical when you're getting started. The set up costs aren't huge but if you're trying to get a writing or illustrating career going, you don't always have the luxury of building you own platform.
Even then, you're always at the mercy of some tech company. The hosting provider, the domain registrar, the bank. They can all have a sudden policy change and screw you over.
Patreon seem pretty good. They've allowed a lot of people to develop thriving communities, but they've got to make sure they stay out of jail and that's going to involve cracking down on people who go too close to the line of what's legal.
Even Tumblr, I know people don't like what they did, but they only acted when they had their hand forced by Apple. They gave everyone a chance to move and most people were able to keep some presence there, even if they couldn't show their boobs any more.
People should make sure they support organisations like the EFF and form associations that will help them argue as a collective, instead of being picked off one by one.
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That's true, it is hard to setup a business when you are really just expanding a pre-existing hobby, but there are a few hypnotists who are pulling in over 1k+ on patreon. And tons of other content creators all over the place in income. I think once your patreon income has become your main source of income, you should start the process of protecting that stream and invest the time into finding adult hosting and a high-risk merchant who will process payments for you, if you are providing nsfw content. And most who are at that level have either their own website, and/or a place like reddit or youtube where all of there pre-existing content is located.
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So hypno kink is not going anywhere as far as I can tell. I have meet Patreon employees irl and told them what I do and they are fine with it. After this article hit I contacted the trust and safety team and they did not seem to have an issue with hypnosis. Last month I was in a web chat with one of Patreon's lawyers and they did not bat an eye at erotic hypnosis. I have a suspicion that maybe some of Patreon's other guidelines may have been broken by 2 of the creators mentioned in the article. Also in my experience Patreon has been one of the better companies when it comes to working with creators to have them create within guidelines. When compared to YouTube they are exceptionally thoughtful, kind, flexible, and most of all human. Also as far as I can tell all of the 3 mentioned users have their accounts back now. I think this article is a tad alarmist. The best thing for any Patreon user to do is to read all the guidelines found here: https://www.patreon.com/policy
The rules are written for normal people not lawyers and they are specific and detailed enough so that you can make real decisions as to what is and is not allowed. Also frankly I see a lot of content creators for hypno breaking common Patreon rules daily. I made a big post about it here: ( https://www.reddit.com/r/EroticHypnosis/comments/c14z5x/patreon_rules_hypno_kink/ ). What I can say for everybody is don't panic and also please read the rules if you are a content creator.
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Some of us have rebranded our content as guided meditation or mesmerization for sites that no longer allow hypnosis.
As to Patreon though, while they have adult content, their definition of adult has never extended to pornography. Every once in a while, they do tend to go through and purge the porn.
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This is not the case. Patreon is actively working on doing more with 18+ creators. They've started a Discord server for us, have specialized community people for that and more.
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They've already removed a lot of nsfw content. Mind control has always been considered more taboo and is blocked on a lot of platforms in general because of the "coercion" part. (Hypnosis is banned on a lot of camsites for example, even if it's roleplay). It sucks, but I think nsfw content creators should start looking at hosting their own websites/blogs on friendly platforms and create memberships to their paid content. Or move to donation based support through friendly payment processors, as I know more popular ones like paypal are very anti-nsfw content.
Erotic hypnosis is blacklisted on a lot of payment processors as well because of 'consent' issues. I've been curious how our hypno content producers get around this. I think most are just going for it and hoping it doesn't get taken down at some point. I'd be happy to hear from anyone who collects money for erotic hypno content outside of Patreon.
Maybe they hypnotized them into selling it? /s
As fetlife.com once already explained: payment processors are usually the reason to ban such content, as they make the rules when and how they will accept the business. So unless you want to create your own bank and your own .. oh right - these rules and regulations will be enforced to even become a bank.
I understand, that's why I said using friendly payment processors. There are high risk merchants out there, and several companies that will help you match with one that'll work for you, including paymotil, bankcardbrokers, and review sites like merchantmaverick.
I think it's harder for sites that have a conglomerate of nsfw content, vs a smaller niche content site. It makes it easier in the review process for the payment processor to say yes or no.
'Adult-product friendly' payment processors are ridiculously expensive. The only one I know that might consider working with is niteflirt. But even they take a very large percentage for their fee.
Which leaves bitcoin as the last resort, unfortunately.