Need advice for *simple*, healthy and frugal eating.
I'm not sure this is the right place for this; I'm definitely looking for frugal suggestions but it goes beyond that. My story is long and sad and boring to anyone who doesn't care about me so I'll try to tl;dr the context: My wife wants a divorce; has been carrying on an affair for over 6 months; the "man" in question is--nee, was--a friend and is also my boss. :(
So, here's the thing, I have severe depression which has (naturally) worsened of late. I'm in therapy and trying to "turn my life around" a bit but one thing I've been having a lot of trouble with lately is eating regularly. I just don't have any desire to do so but, of course, I need to. I go to the grocery store, look at things and start crying then I just leave. I'm sorry, this is probably way too much information, I'll digress and get to the point.
Can anyone offer suggestions for things I can subsist on that might also be frugal, healthy and easy? I don't care if it tastes like cardboard smeared with wet cement, I just need things that take little effort (for I have little effort to give) but will keep me from wasting away to nothing (I've lost ~30+ pounds unwillingly since this came out). On the other hand, I'm trying to get and be healthy without breaking the bank.
Help? Please?
EDIT Wow, I had hoped for but not expected such a response. I was AFK for a while and I come back to 69 comments. Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions/advice. I'm reading through them now and will comment where appropriate, but wanted to give a group-thanks to everyone. Thanks.
Posted May 18, 2010, 6:08 PM UTC · edited
Cabbage - make cole slaw or similar - cabbage is cheap.... Sardines - buy ones from Portugal, packed in olive oil. Drain and mash up with Dijon mustard (or mustard of preference), spread on toast. Part of depression can be lifted with increase of Omega-3. The two items above are loaded with Omega-3, cheap, and (to me) tasty. FYI, I battled depression for a few years - was even hospitalized for it. Buy eggs that are listed with Omega-3 as well. Green leafy vegetables are good - so buy them if you see them on sale. Bokchoy is really good for you. Just stir fry it in a little oil, season with soy sauce. If you do not feel like eating, invite friends over for dinner or lunch...that will force you to cook & eat.
Good luck.
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Sounds like you're selling fish oil to me.
Here are a bunch of studies about omega-3 fatty acid and its effect on depression. Some are supportive, some are not so much.
I have read theories about this millions of places, and seen it in a few documentaries. It's not proven but there are studies that support it, and some people swear by it. Doctors are down with it because unlike antidepressants, there are no side effects.
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The only problem with your citation is that it's about psychotic behavior not depressive behavior which are completely different things. Fish oil is not a mental health panacea.
Though, I'll agree. Besides slightly looser stools there are no real side effects of consuming fish oil.
Uh, what? Pyscheducation.org is mostly about bipolar - that is not pyschosis, that's a mood disorder. As in depression, and mania - and not even necessarily mania. I'm bipolar II and most of what I suffer from is depression. Mood instability is definitely not "psychotic behavior".
If you scroll down to the table there's ... a whole bunch of studies cited that where the condition studied is depression. 9 out of the 16 studies are about depression , if you count bipolar depression that's 12. Only one of the studies even mentions psychosis, and that's in at study about schizophrenia - the word psychosis only shows up on the page twice!
Maybe I am! But I do not think so... Nothing fishy here
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Thank you, thank you. These are exactly the types of suggestions I'm looking for. I'm finding it difficult to muster up the energy to do any sort of "real" cooking because it just makes me more depressed ("sigh, another lonely meal by myself...") so I've just been avoiding it. These are all things I think I can do. Thanks again, Johnny.
And thanks also for the well-wishing, I'm trying desperately to not let this destroy me.
as somebody else that suffered from depression, Johnny's point about eating with friends will go a long way. Getting over depression was difficult (for me) alone, and by forcing myself to spend time around other people, especially friends, was a great help. Not to mention if you have people over for a meal at your place, they might invite you to one at theirs and you get a free meal out of it.
I try to do this, unfortunately my circle of friends (small before this whole thing) has been drastically reduced due to the fact that "the other man" was my friend and most of my "friends" are friends with him, too. It's a much worse situation than even my tl;dr indicates, but I do have a few friends left and I will make a concerted effort to invite them over (if they can stomach being around such an emotional wreck! I (half-)kid!).
Make new friends. I lost everyone in my situation, and working on making new friends made a world of difference. Making new friends also forces you to be social and it helps you lift the clouds and be less introspective and gloomy. Get out there and meet people, even if you don't feel like it.
I tell people with depression that there is one person in this world who can help them, and then I bring them to a mirror. You need to work on yourself, stop the automatic negative thoughts, and know with certainty that this current crap you are dealing with will end, it's just a matter of time. Therapy is key and I am glad that you are talking to someone. Meds are okay too, but only as a temporary aid (in my opinion). My first major bout of depression happened when I was in my 20's and I lost my first love. She left without warning after we were together for four years. I still think of her today and I am 55, married to a great woman, and father of two terrific sons.
So, don't expect to ever be able to free yourself completely of the pain. But do know that over time, you will be able to move on and just as this unexpected pain and suffering has entered your life, in time, unexpected joy and happiness will also enter - so keep your eyes wide open.
More great advice, JohnnyBeagle, and too true. I rationally understand all that but emotionally/psychologically...it's tough. I long for this day that seems so far in the future...
Thanks again, Johnny. It's nice of you to offer such sage advice to a total stranger.
My pleasure. If you ever need someone to talk to, just look me up.
When I'm happy, I love to cook and eat. When I'm depressed, I don't love to do anything.
The way I feed myself is by making whatever food I feel like I can handle making, even if it's not "dinner". Waffles. Custard. Smoothies. Cornbread. At such times, I can't manage making multiple dishes, but I can get interested in a recipe enough to make one reasonably complex thing. Reading food blogs helps me get interested in a recipe.
Make too much and freeze it for the days when you really can't cook.
My problem is I don't feel like I can handle making anything. I'm just going to have to try and force myself to do it. I've bookmarked your link and will check out some of those blogs. Thanks!
This won't destroy you because this too shall pass. Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
Hunger is the best sauce. You need to force yourself to get exercise, outdoors confers added benefits. If you live anywhere near a mountain or at least a strenuous hiking trail I highly suggest going outside and staying outside for a good while every day.
I wouldn't recommend seeking SSRIs to deal with depression because those drugs have lots of horrible side effects for lots of people and some studies suggest that they're no better than placebos. You should however see your primary care physician. Tell your doctor that your wife has been unfaithful and you want a full STD screen. Also ask for a general blood workup. Find out if you have any hormone problems (low testosterone, pituitary etc.) and what your overall health is like right now. If you're having sleep problems or occassional anxiety attacks then your doc may prescribe you an emergency use only supply of valium (one valium is a way better option for dealing with racing thoughts and restlessness than trying to drink yourself asleep).
Think about hobbies you never pursued because your wife didn't support your interest. Now you can do those things without her scrutiny, e.g. scuba dive, paintball, mountain bike, learn martial arts, car racing (a hobby that I enjoy but I wouldn't recommend at this moment given your circumstances is target shooting). If you were raised any particular religion I suggest seeking some solace in church or temple and even if that never appealed to you a church can be a good place to find some solitude as well as compassionate people and activities that aren't focused on dating.
Back to the subject of food: get yourself really hungry and then eat some high protein foods.
Keep us posted and perhaps you will want to take some pics of yourself and write a bit about your progress.
I like that, "Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels." Never heard that, but it's something to hope for since I feel the presence of many wounds and many heels in my life right now.
It's too late for me to avoid the drug route, I'm on one antidepressant (sertreline, or Zoloft, as it's commonly known) that I take in the morning and another (trazodone - not sure if it has a "brand name" but from what I understand it was developed as an antidepressant but in studies people had trouble staying awake, so now it's prescribed to people who are depressed and can't sleep) which I take at night to help me get to sleep. It seems to be helping (though it's only been a week) and I haven't noticed any side effects... yet. I had a bout with Prozac many years ago and the only side effect was that I could... well... "get it up" but it took forever to "finish" - and honestly my libido is measured in negative numbers right now so I don't really care about that. Drinking myself to sleep had been my self-prescribed medicine for a long time but I've given that (drinking) up completely because I know it's no cure, "helps" in the short term but only makes things worse.
I do have a hobby that has literally been shelved for quite a while that I hope to find the energy to get back in to: I build and fly RC airplanes (I also crash RC helicopters).
I'm an atheist so I'm afraid the church thing will offer no solace to me. I have considered trying to go to the UU "church" here, but even their "we're not really religious" take on things seems kind of...wishy washy to me. I don't know. I do need to meet new people since my circle of friends is now more like a point. Still, exercising is definitely something I'm trying to do more often. There are no mountains here, but plenty of forest and hiking trails.
As for keeping you posted/taking pics/writing about my "progress"... I fear that would be boring and even more off-topic here than this post probably is. I'll consider it, I suppose. At least a followup, maybe, if the r/frugallers will allow me an OT post...
In any case, thanks for the advice and encouragement.
Walk too! Exercise makes a HUGE difference. Find a place where you can walk or adventure. Preferably around people as you might strike up a conversation and make some new friends. Or walk somewhere there is lots of nature. I find that always lifts the spirits. If you feel out of energy, a walk can perk you back up. (It seems like the opposite, but once you get moving your body starts waking up and working right)
Been there, I had a few months like that after my last big break up. All you can really do is push through it. I found myself eating at my computer or TV more too, that seemed to help. To be honest, I dont think I've sat at my own kitchen table more than twice in the last year :S
I learned how to make a killer cabbage soup when I lived on my own on a very low budget...
Saute in a frying pan with some oil cut up carrots, broccoli, ... whatever you have in the house. potatoes work. season with salt and pepper. boil a pot of water with 1/4 of a head of cabbage chopped up. add the sauted veg. let simmer for however long you have (it can be ready in 5 minutes, or you can let it simmer for an hour to get really great flavor) season with salt and pepper. voila! You can add bouillon to give it more flavour if you want.
Our ancestors ate like this. It's far better than the crap we eat today.
I am gonna try eating this tommorow!
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