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Further core splitting

I know, I know, this has been talked about. I just wanted ask if we know the rate of expansion of the cores.

This is important because if they grow more slowly as they get larger (that is, the percentage change over a period of time decreases), then not splitting would mean throwing away core-space, so to speak, making the decision way easier since there is no clear benefit to an unsplit core (assuming he can use the wheel on all his cores at once as he gave the impression of doing up to now).

If nothing changes then the possible benefits of splitting remain, along with the increased complexity and uncertainty.

If they grow faster as they get bigger, then you would need a really, really good reason to split. Compound interest is no joke.

[random thoughts]

Can Dross cycle for Lindon? Can he do it while he sleeps?

Can a (split) core be moved? Could one core be given over to Dross to manage for secondary functions? Seems like Dross can already access Lindon's madra, but this would give him access to pure mandra for secondary functions while Lindon is cycling BF. Could one core be placed in the head and allow BF and Pure madra to be cycled at the same time, with the head remaining clear?

Could the split between cores be uneven? Could a smaller core be moved in the hand for a very effective empty palm?

Posted Jun 27, 2019, 2:53 AM UTC

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Bibliophile110•

I'm pretty sure Lindon can only actively cycle one core at a time. It has been implied that the HEPW may passively increase his madra capacity as his cores continue to develop. That or the HEPW only increase his madra capacity when he is actively using that cycling technique I'm not entirely sure. The only reason for Lindon to split his pure core and learn a new path would be gain specific abilities in response to a specific type of enemy that Blackflame or Pure madra can't defeat. It's more likely Lindon would simply Soulsmith a weapon that would be used to defeat that specific type of enemy if that was the case. Also everytime Lindon splits a core he is left with 2 smaller cores as some madra capacity is lost in the process.

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gdubrocks•

I believe HEPW only works when he is actively using it.

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AjGoudie•

It has a permanent affect on the core. Eithan tells him not to use it in combat.

Edit: I realise now that the comment was asking about a passive growth on the cores... It doesn't do that, it only increases capacity while in use, but that capacity increase is permanent.

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InternetReader_OP•

It is clearly said that total manda capacity remains the same though, it's just split. [Edit: There's a very small loss.] That's why rate of increase depending on size is important. I also remember something about a passive increase when not cycling when you have been using it for a while.

I do not believe it is necessarily the only reason. There are a few factors that could make multiple smaller pure cores advantageous in certain situations. The problem is, of course, that we don't know how the cores behave well enough to actually say what would be better, or even to just lay out the pros and cons clearly.

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Bibliophile110•

https://abidanarchive.com/adv_search/?tags=heartoftwinstars Will states here some madra capacity is lost in the process.

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InternetReader_OP•

Thanks! From Unsouled I was under the impression that there was no loss, I guess Lindon and the guy who developed the technique might have missed it though. Or I'm misremembering.

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DisastrousClothes•

I doubt we will see further core splitting, and my interpretation was that the wheel had to be used one core at a time. Dross cycling for Lindon or a dream core for Dross are interesting ideas for sure though.

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politeasfrack•

I agree with the opinions that think he will never split his core again. Path of twin stars not triplets with one being an under developed dream baby core lol I just don't see it. He has so much to do with what he has already.

I know this isn't really the place but I want to throw out a few things I'm excited for: Lindon/dross inevitable interaction with Northstrider, more details on the result of his UL advancement, the affect of the akura training (no doubt dross is going to be eating good the whole time), the arelius history that has been very vague so far, if course freaking Orthose's storyline (what form will he choose?) I wasn't crying when he left, reading audio books makes my eyes water. Also Lindon totally bailed out theBFE emperor in the dream madra barrier, and never made a big deal about it, it allowed the emperor to save major face and face off with his rival saving plenty of lives. What's he going to give Lindon as a thank you? I bet it's the sword (just since it's the only Blackflame swag we have seen), if he doesn't give it to him in the tourney. But i can't help but think there's got to be tons of other sweet black flame gear for him to give away, maybe something that only someone with a blackflame core can utilize like a blackflame sa'angreal (mixing my fantasy series I know). I like mercy and have high hopes that her story and personality will be developed and she the story will flow her into being a permanent member of the team. Yerrin using the technique of the sage of the blood moon hall (forget his name) cutting through their team with their own weapon! Will ziel former Lord of the dawnwing sect, who was a total wet blanket, get healed by NS to fight under his name, and will that all of a sudden make him happy af and a totally different person? It would me I think. Did tim acend after he died? I think we will find out in about 4 or 5 more books. How will Eithan prepare for the tournament? We haven't seen him train at all, wonder when and what that will be? I really want a meeting between Fisher gesha and Lindon's mom to be a part of the Lindon homecoming scene whenever that happens. This ended up being way longer than I thought and I have more but I will stop lol no one is going to read this and that is fine I feel better for just typing it all out. Have a good day.

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InternetReader_OP•

To be clear, I do not think there will be further splitting. But we don't know enough to definitely say that it would be detrimental and not a positive improvement. Plus I was talking mostly about repositioning part of the pure core, not starting new paths, so it would still be the path of the twin stars.

As to the exiting things to come, I'm particularly interested in seeing Lindon and the others develop other longish term relationships. Up to now every interaction with secondary characters has been relatively brief and sporadic. I hope that new characters will be introduced that, even if they do not become part of the close group, maintain an ongoing relationship with them. Pride could be a nice rival or new friend, the emperor's sister could also play a bigger role (beyond the tournament, that is).

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ARQHeHateMe•

Some thoughts:

  1. I’m pretty sure core expansion rate is completely dependent upon the sacred artist and how much time they devote to refining and cycling madra, which is why core splitting is generally thought of as being a hinderance the more you do it as you have to split the amount of attention and time you give to each one.

  2. I don’t believe core location or distance in the body matters for any of the things you are thinking about.

  3. A dream madra core completely devoted to Dross could be intriguing but I don’t know how viable.

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epbrown01•

A dream madra core completely devoted to Dross could be intriguing but I don’t know how viable.

Dross has his own madra system, complete with core and channels. Seems like he should be able to develop it. Then again, if it were possible to raise his core independently, the Heaven's Drop would have helped him and he said it wouldn't.

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ARedIt•

So far cycling techniques we've seen have been tied to breathing patterns, and Dross doesn't breath, so developing it might be a problem. He also probably cannot control Lindon's breathing so probably can't cycle for Lindon.

Will did kinda address this. Dross can't cycle, Lindon could cycle Dross's core for him without splitting.

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InternetReader_OP•

  1. Seems very much possible. In that case Dross would need to be able to cycle for him even if the rate of increase decreased with size to make it sensible.

  2. It would though. If you think about how cycling seems to work, having two central cores makes them stop each other. If you cycle BF you cannot cycle pure because the channels are filled. But if you had, say, a core in your hand and appropriately adjusted channels, then you could cycle a pure core in your hand and BF in the rest of your body. You could use the empty palm while using the burning cloak.

All of this would of course only work with assistance from Dross, so he'll probably have to be much more powerful than now to take over some of the cycling from Lindon.

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Acedelaforet•

Will i get to see the core wars?

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xRogue_9x•

One core at a time because cycling involves your madra channels and even if you split your core you only have one set of madra channels. As Lindon has continually used HEPW his cores have started doing it unconsciously. He doesn't get the same benefit as activity using HEPW. Quote following from Ghostwater

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xRogue_9x•

Since Lindon had used the Heaven and Earth Purification Wheel to advance, it still had an influence on his cores even when he wasn't actively practicing it. His madra recovery was slow, but he had much more madra than he would have otherwise. And a good thing, too; his Iron body and his techniques took a lot of power. If Eithan was any indication, his cores would only get deeper as he advanced, until he had a truly ridiculous amount of madra. But he suppressed the Purification Wheel as much as he could, with Dross inside. It was inconvenient, but Eithan's warning still made him hesitant to let the technique's existence leak. -Ghostwater, Will Wight

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InternetReader_OP•

That's the thing though, what if the madra channels could be modified to allow synchronous cycling by separate cores? That would enable him to use the empty palm and keep a clear head while cycling or using the burning cloak.

It would require moving a part of the pure core in the head and in the hand, however. (Assuming madra channels work somewhat like blood circulation)

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Primaul•

no splitting a core is a over all 2% loss of capacity 49/49 with a 1% loss in each if you do what lindon did and pick up a different path then you half the speed of your advancement in the 2 paths, further core plitting would slow the sacred artist down having to switch over to a none depleted core.

when lindon split his core it saved his sacred arts.

on the last question has of underlord its not possible to move your cores or we will R.A.F.O.. Dross is like a second parasitic brain that cycles his own core and feeds off lindons excess dream madra, Dross can give advice on cycling to lindon but has no control over the host.

could the split between the core be uneven: yes you have to spend time cycling each one at a time and one can fall behind the other it was that way for lindon tell underlord with the Heavens drop.

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InternetReader_OP•

It is indeed currently impossible, but it has also been clearly said that Dross could manage a part of Lindon's powers and that their systems are linked. Whether that includes managing his cycling, or part of it, is to be seen.

Just cycling while sleeping would enormously expand his core capacity. I hope Dross can do it.

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InFearn0•

I can totally see Dross managing both cores with HEPW while Lindon sleeps, and it taking too long of a time for Lindon to realize this was happening.

Or funnier yet, Dross splits a small piece off of Lindon's pure core to hide it and secretly cycle a dream core. "What? I thought you would be happy I figured out how to feed myself."

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InternetReader_OP•

Relevant source I just found out about

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Reigan Shen

What purpose do Dross' core and Madra channels serve? Can he actually cycle with them?

Will Wight

That was all part of Dross evolving from a construct to an independent spirit. Without some form of madra channels, he wouldn't be able to process power. He cannot cycle aura, though technically Lindon could cycle aura to him. If he wanted.

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