Angry manager doesn't allow back talk

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When I was a lot younger I worked at a fast food restaurant. As a true SpongeBob I really loved my job. I worked there really hard for 7 years. I was the fastest and most precise in the kitchen and the fastest and most precise with doing the stores delivery. Managers usually didn't put me on the day plan when I was working so I wouldn't be attached to 1 station and I would swap between the ones that needed assistance. I was pretty much running solo.

In comes the new manager. The other managers inform him that I'm very stubborn, but if left alone I'll make his shift easy. He sees this as a challenge to his leadership or something and starts giving me specific jobs. Which I complete in no time and continue jumping around between stations.

Eventually he gets really angry at me and tells me that I'm only to follow orders and that I'm not allowed to back talk to him.

The next day we work together again. He takes me to the back room and tells me to remove all the empty crates to the back. Including the 2 below the fridge that have obviously been there for quite some time. I open my mouth to tell him that those crates are there because those 2 wheels on that fridge were broken. He just shoots this rage filled look to me, and I close my mouth again. He goes away, and I start cleaning. I rip the crates from under the fridge. The fridge falls over, doors fly open and all the produce falls on the floor. Fridge also stops running. I stack the crates and move them to the storage area outside.

I tell my manager I'm done, and waiting for the next order. He goes to the back to check on me and gets angry at the mess. "I wasn't allowed to explain why those crates are there, this is the result".

He gave up the fight after that and I went back to what I had done for 7 years already. We ended up having a good professional relationship after that.

Edit, this ended up a hell of a lot longer than I expected. Also written on mobile, so sorry for the formatting and autocorrect.

Posted Jun 29, 2019, 1:19 AM UTC

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tiorzol•

Good work. Sometimes people need to learn that there is no substitute for experience.

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freefall-lemming•

Some times though experience really does just mean set in their ways. Not all change is inherently bad, some is undoubtably and some change is just badly implemented.

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quatersawn•

This☝️. I work at a hospital in the engineering department, going on 6 years now, and until recently I was still the “new guy”. Most had been there 30+ years with the next ”newest” guy had been there 20 years. Hell my director when I started working there started there 2 days before I was born there. Yes I work at the hospital I was born at. Lol. Anyways that director was a joke, he had been promoted from within and was clueless about his actual responsibilities. He was a yes man. The hospital had a director of operations (DOO) that was a 27 year old intellectual that had no real world experience. She came there as an intern, helped bring connect care online, this is basically a healthcare information portal that allows different practices within the system to access your records as necessary and allows the patients to see their medical records online. Anyways the crappy director retired about 4 years ago and we had at best department leadership that was adequate. Almost 2 years ago we finally hired s new director that had only been as high as a number 2 in an engineering department. He is very smart though and knows policies and procedures well. So to get to the point after about a year the clueless DOO left for another healthcare system and we got a new DOO that knows what he is doing. So as he starts finally updating policies and procedures he started getting the kickback from everyone about how “this is how we’ve always done it”. He doesn’t stand for that. Unfortunately our facility had started getting the reputation of being a run down facility. Well in the last year and a half we’ve really turned things around. Our reputation has improved greatly and we just had a regulatory inspection. The inspectors said they expected to come in and find a ton of deficiencies as had been before. They were thoroughly impressed, we had only a few minor deficiencies that were corrected before they were done inspecting. It’s been a great couple of years since he joined our team. He promoted me to a lead position, over people that had been there for years. At first there was some push back and maybe a little resentment, but once they figured out that I wasn’t going to let it go to my head and actually know what I’m doing, things have settled down and are running pretty smoothly.

Edit: sorry for the novel, got a little carried away typing. Lol

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Edward_Nygma•

the crap people stuck in their ways is the bane of my job right now.

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rea1l1•

These people are the bane of our entire species/world and if it wasn't for them we'd be working 3 days a week.

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Sceptically•

Crap people who are stuck in their ways are probably the cause of most of my problems.

Especially that one I keep seeing in the mirror...

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Sovereign533OP•

Yeah, managers that can't get with the times are also annoying. Just because an idea is old it doesn't mean it's good. I've moved on from fast food and now I'm an officer in merchant shipping. So I can't really be maliciously compliant anymore (people can do that to me now). But shipping is a very conservative branch. But the company is very innovative. That brings a ton of friction.

But I've also had colleagues in high positions that basically refuse to tow the line because "it isn't the way we did it for years". Yeah, but years ago you also didn't use hearing protection in the engine room. Just because an idea is new it doesn't mean it's bad.

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quatersawn•

Huh? 😁

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MustangManGT•

What does a hospital engineer do? Equipment upgrades and maintaining the facilities equipment? I never thought that hospitals would have a full engineering department with degreed engineers.

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quatersawn•

It’s a terminology thing I guess. Basically it’s the maintenance department. We have a handful of general maintenance workers who take care of typical repairs, 1 journeyman and 1 Master Electrician, 2 journeyman HVAC techs plus myself, I hold journeyman cards in HVAC and Plumbing. As of right now we don’t have a staff plumber, since I got promoted to Supervisor. We use contractors for larger projects and some of our pm’s, and right now most of our plumbing. (Because I’m not supposed to be doing the work, directing others to do it, so says my boss the Director of Engineering. We fall under ASHE, American Society of Hospital Engineers. I came to the hospital out of my local union (Plumber and Pipefitters Local 110) and most of our Mechanical and Plumbing contractors are union as well.

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Imbalancedone•

Great comment. I see this a lot. Here’s one of my favorite retorts that challenges them to grow without being a jerk.

Them. “We’ve always done it this way”

Me “ Just because you’ve always been swinging your golf club the wrong way doesn’t mean you have to keep repeating your mistake. Let’s improve some things and up your game folks.”

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x69x69xxx•

We're a shit team and that's how we like it. So let's continue doing the shit job that we've always done.

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LyraDragonTree1993•

Some people are really stupid

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AccidentalGirlToy•

I've found that once you realize and accept this universal truth, life becomes much easier.

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Yup and we mustn’t keep those people from failure!

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EchoGecko795•

Like nature intended. Some people just like to wander around and walk into a bear cave. We should let them.

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We’ve been keeping people from failure for too long. Need to take some safety railings down and let nature take its course lol.

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bobowhat•

Try working tech support (or any support role really). You get a daily reminder if you ever forget.

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Tall_Mickey•

"The enterprise system is crashing! I need to get work done! DO SOMETHING NOW. IT'S AN EMERGENCY."

"Okay. How many apps do you have up?"

"Twelve."

"How long has your machine been up?

"Eight days."

"Okay, there's a pretty good chance that a reboot will solve everything. Close all your apps and restart. Start the enterprise app first."

"I CAN'T DO THAT. I HAVE EVERYTHING LAID OUT ON THE SCREENS JUST AS I LIKE IT."

"Then I can't help you."

"OH NEVER MIND. I'LL GET TO IT LATER." (click)

Hundreds of times. Hundreds.

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lesethx•

The number of problems that would be solved if we could get users to read and understand emails.

Countless times new hires at one client would come up to me asking how to change their password, despite being handed a few pages with all that info (and eventually pretty pictures). I would pull out a sample new hire sheet at my desk and say "Well, if you look at the new hire sheet, it says here..."

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algy888•

My partner has a saying “Working with idiots, for idiots!”

Referring to our coworkers (with a couple of exceptions) and our supervisors and managers. The mantra keeps us sane.

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cfeyer•

Any tips for getting to acceptance?

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whatmustido•

Drugs. Alcohol is one of the more popular choices.

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IminPeru•

it's so hard to accept :(

even when you're the one being stupid and can't understand something

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TheRealTwist•

Working in customer service really makes you see humanity in a different light.

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FullyWooly•

Stupidity is a combination of ignorance and arrogance that afflicts self-important douches like OP’s boss. It is not to be confused with simple ignorance, or being mentally challenged. Being stupid is an unforgivable offense.

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jaypeeo•

That’s how I put it too. Ignorance may or may not be someone’s fault, mental capability certainly isn’t a fault, but being uninformed and aggressive together...

Unfortunately those attributes together are politically advantageous so you see it embraced, supported, and nurtured. Useful idiots aggressively promoting policies that hurt them, wonderful to have in your pocket when there’s money to be made screwing those same idiots.

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neruat•

Some people are really stupid

My version of this is "Everyone is stupid, not everyone else"

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MojoMasterGT•

The SpongeBob reference helped my visualize the story with the characters. I appreciate the laugh, good story!

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franksaxx•

Agreed. I'm going to use that one for someone who really loves their job

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TwistedRope•

Spongebob, me boy, WHAT HAVE YE DONE TO ME FRIDGE???

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shadowhood2020•

IS MAYONNAISE AN INSTRUMENT???

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yusririlke•

no u/shadowhood2020 , mayonnaise is not an instrument

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FullyWooly•

raises hand

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theinconceivable•

Davie504 would like to know your location

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preciousjewel128•

I had a job like this too. Had one manager assigning tasks for the evening and got to me saying "do whatever it is you do." Free reign to do what needed to be done without being restricted to one task.

Then I had the two managers from hell.

One shift was overnight and coworker and I did pre-cleanup on equipment. Think like a snow cone station with all that syrup. Or popcorn with grease. Manager didnt want it cleaned until after everyone was gone. Except there was nothing to do. So we figured why not clean the station after it had been shut down? She yelled at us threatening to send us home. Then gave us cleaning tasks like using qtips to clean behind the bar. I usually cleaned bathrooms thoroughly, but earlier I had been at the snow-pop station. I asked my coworker if she could check if ghe restroom needed attention, and if it did, could she take care of it, or we could switch and I'd do it. Standard stuff I've done throughout the time I worked there. New manager flipped a gasket as all requests had to go through her.

Other manager demanded I run a maze activity in 100+ degree heat. But first go clean the volleyball pit. Which I did. The group was messy and probably were never trained in usage of trash receptacles so it took a bit of time. I'm hot and tired but then ran the maze. (Normally I'm just assigned as floater as I could do anything so rarely am I locked to one station. When it's hot, I would run water, or offer break to get water.) He never stops by, no one checks on me for however many hours. It's hot, and I have no water, but i have shade. Eventually that station closes, i go to get water. Manager blocks my path demanding I go clean the volleyball pits because he claimed I hadnt touched them. I had, just the kids hadnt left and continued to trash the facility. So I go back. Still 100+. By the time I finish I'm starting signs of heat exhaustion. I get a glass of water and he hands me a steamer. We had to change the facility from a day event to an evening event so I'm told to steam the wrinkled tablecloths. I eventually start panting and go in the back to cool down. Irate, he demands I continue, at which point I tell him. I have heat exhaustion and can no longer function.

I had been trying to move into being manager, something that the business wouldnt do, and because of those two new managers, I ended up quitting instead.

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sucksblueeggs•

I'd love to see CCTV of all that!

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Sovereign533OP•

We didn't have one unfortunately

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MC273•

rick rolled the manager just got trolled

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Gorione•

Turn off autocorrect. Saves me many headaches.

By which I mean, when using my own phone.

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Justice4orWaluigi•

I have basically every auto-formatting feature turned off so that everyone knows just how stupid I am

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ivonahora•

Just a very minor suggestion that you totally didn't ask for, but when requesting something from strangers (particularly in cases where what they're saying or doing wasn't necessarily directed to you), try to avoid saying "change this so it's the way I like it". It can come across as slightly entitled.

Instead, try something as simple as using plurals ("it saves us/your readers many headaches). That way, it sounds like genuine constructive criticism that may help them as well as yourself as opposed to just sort of demanding that someone do something to appease you.

Edit: I might have totally misread that comment. If that's the case, I'm sorry I got all preachy on you.

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FairFolk•

Fairly sure they meant that in their own experience, turning off autocorrect saved them many headaches.

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ivonahora•

Now that you say it, plus having read the edit in the OP, it's most likely what they meant. Turns out I'm more pessimistic than I thought.

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Gorione•

Perhaps I should be more clear. By saving myself headaches, I'm referring to my experience on MY phone.

The implication being that it would save him from headaches of having it completely change a word or phrase on him.

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ivonahora•

You were actually quite clear. I was tired and perhaps a bit cranky, so I misread it as something negative. Sorry about that. I still kept the comment cause it felt wrong to delete it completely as if my mistake had never taken place.

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TurnipSwagger•

It sounds like you were an awful person to have on the job. Arrogant, entitled, very stubborn and thinking you know better,. I would have fired you on the spot for these reasons alone.

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DJMattyMatt•

I assume you are trolling but just in case you aren't. An independent employee who can complete their tasks quickly and efficiently then jump in to help others is an asset. If/when you get into management you will quickly learn this. The stupid people above you and in lateral positions will occupy the majority of your time.

Good managers love people like op.

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jtboe79•

If only all managers thought this way instead of piling so much on that the good employees become resentful and eventually leave.

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DJMattyMatt•

Its a tough balancing act to be honest. You have HR telling you turnover must be avoided to maintain their KPIs. You have a bunch of shit employees, a bunch decent ones and a few great ones if you are lucky.

You can't easily override HR to replace the shitters. You then start using your best employees to plug the gaps. Ideally you can get room in your budget to reward the best employees but it is almost always an uphill battle.

The burnout of good employees isn't always the direct manager's fault. In my experience it is almost always corporate culture bullshit.

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jtboe79•

In this case I think it’s my direct manager, who happens to be the CFO. Four months ago a woman in my department quit. I was transferred all of her accounts with one days notice, none of my accounts were reassigned. We discussed this being a temporary situation while a replacement was hired. Last month I was informed that things were working so well that they had decided not to hire a replacement. Two weeks ago I submitted a request for a review as the temporary situation has now become permanent. My manager has not even acknowledged that I submitted the request, much less done anything about it. Now I’m looking into leaving a job that I absolutely loved until last month when I realized they have every intention of continuing just as things are.

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nevus_bock•

It’s probably a good thing then that you have no control over anybody.

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lolzidop•

and thinking you know better

They knew the boxes kept the fridge up right but were told not to argue back...or in lay mans terms they did know better than the manager

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barwhack•

You will be maliciously complied one day. It will be hillarious.

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MrZJones•

You're surprised and angry that an employee who had been working at a place for seven years would "act like" they know more than a manager who just started working there literally the day before?

Man, I hope you never become a manager. You'd probably kick down the door on your first day and fire everyone who's been there longer than you (i.e., everyone)

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feltrails•

100% agree. Isn’t this sub for getting back at shitty managers, not “I spited a manager who did their job by telling me to do a thing.” Being stubborn isn’t a good trait as an employee, neither is intentionally disregarding what you’re told to do.

Having worked in environments exactly like what OP described, employees who constantly move around to do every job are extremely frustrating to work with no matter how effective they are. Your entire workflow is interrupted when someone who doesn’t belong swooping in to do your job and throw you off.

On top of this, OP’s actions put people at danger, all because the manager gave them a dirty look so they decided to fuck over everyone by making a massive mess that, chances are, the manager wasn’t even the one who had to clean it up? Really?

Given manager then went on to have a good relationship with OP, they probably aren’t an unreasonable person either. I just wish they had the spine to fire OP since I’ve worked with this exact type of person and it’s intolerable.

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thatnerdynerd•

Im torn because this shouldbt be the mentality people have

In comes the new manager. The other managers inform him that I'm very stubborn, but if left alone I'll make his shift easy.

when i think of stubborn i think of egotistical as well but op apparently could get the job done efficiently which probably doesnt help the ego.

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