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kami232

[Spoilers lvl80] Concerning Names and Titles

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Seriously. There are some spoilers ahead!

In case you missed u/elvhen's Emmett post, here's a link to check out some dialogue options I'll be referencing here.

Be it Elidibus or Igeyorhm, all are titles of office. And when an office is vacated, it may be filled by another.

As noted, our Ascian friend's title of office is "Emet-Selch," and in the end he dies as Hades which in all probability is his real name (E: ty LunarEmerald for reading what I missed in my rush to kill Emmett). To reference u/gabrielceleste and u/dracosuave and their work on the lvl80 Zone's references and homages, Hythlodaeus acts as our Virgil in Amaurot, the Ascian Nonsense... I mean Ascian Utopia. Which fits with the previous Greek tie ins of using Philia, Eros, and Storge (but no Agape, curiously, though "Innocence" could be the twisted version of this given the themes). Greek references? Greek references.

So, who is Elidibus really? My prediction is Python.

Elidibus's symbol is the Ophiuchus, the Greek constellation known as the "Serpent Bearer." Unukalhai - who is his disciple that we meet during the Warring Triad arc of Heavensward - is the former name of the Alpha Serpentis double-star in real world astronomy; Alpha Serpentis lies within the Serpens Caput constellation, which lies immediately adjacent to the Ophiuchus. TL;DR for this: snakes, it had to be snakes.

So, we've got an expansion built around Greek language for its naming schemes and it's making references to Greek myths and concepts, like Utopia and Hades. In keeping with another FF reference, we're dealing with astronomy and astrology both (Zodiarc/Zodiark/Zodiac). Since one of the major themes of FFXIV has been built around the duality and perpetual combat between day and night aka light and dark, I figured it would make sense to look for Greek deities with snake backgrounds and enemies with solar or "light" backgrounds. Python's main foe in myth is Apollo. Apollo has been called by the epithet Phoebus, or "bright," and and it has as far as to equate Apollo with Helios - basically taking on the role of sun god. Given the nature of us Heroes of Hydaelyn being the Warriors of Light in the Source, we share a similar trait with our friend Apollo - light.

So, that's my hypothesis.

Now that said, I'm curious what happens. We're "switching up” our role as Warriors of Light by becoming Warriors of Darkness. Uriangier noted the difference between the Source and the First where our Astral Light is their Umbral Light, which of course leads me to ask why. But this is probably a tangential relation. That said, it is giving me vibes to Plato's Allegory of the Cave - our experiences are limited to our senses, and also the fact that the allegorical characters see a shadow created by the light. So I guess that revelation, to me, is a two-parter.

Posted Jul 3, 2019, 5:50 AM UTC · edited

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LunarEmeraldRed Mage•

It says in the duty finder summary text for the final trial that Hades is his real name.

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kami232OPDaine Gerzone - Sarg•

TY for reading what I missed in my rush to the finish line. I mean, I assumed, but Emmett also told us we'd "probably never know" in the optional lore bits.

Yeah... yeah... I read those but not the trial description.

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kami232OPDaine Gerzone - Sarg•

So who is the Warrior of Light in this prediction? Apollo, the pre-calamity Ascian who quit their post... and probably a cofounder of Hydaelyn.

Hades, in his final moments, "saw" us as an Ancient/Ascian and our soul was rejoined with Ardbert, our fragmented color from the First (assuming the "nonsense" Virgil was telling the truth). This fits in with Hades's previous comments about repairing Ascian souls since he was one of three who were not fragmented:

Emet-Selch: And in such instances, the vacant title ordinarily goes to another fragment of the selfsame soul. While it is by no means impossible to raise up wholly unrelated individuals, 'tis we whose fervent entreaties brought forth Lord Zodiark--whose souls He claimed in the beginning--who make the truest servants.

Choice 1: So, if we were to defeat all the Ascians of the Source...

Emet-Selch: Then none would remain to raise up new Ascians, and our kind would eventually fade from existence. You would like that, wouldn't you? Well, feel free to dream--'tis no crime to do so.

That or the lack of sleep since early access came out is getting the better of me. My raid group has repeatedly moved me to the "Spoilerbringers" channel in our discord because I can't shut the fuck up. I keep accidentally spoiling shit by omission to the point where I'm going to have to mute my microphone for a week.


Btw, that calamity from the final dungeon is giving me some Warhammer 40k vibes during the Enslaver Plague. Basically, the War in Heaven caused such a toll on the immaterium/warp that the hopes, dreams, fears and thoughts of the myriad of species birthed by the Old Ones caused such a stir that it spawned unfathomable eldritch entities, the Enslavers, who effectively killed off every major species in a horrific nightmare. This is basically your typical Apocalypse myth for a cycle of rebirth, akin to Aztecan or Norse myths for the Tezcatlipoca and Ragnarok.

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Altbion:dnc2:•

I actually think the wol might have not been part of the ones who summoned Hydaelyn, but was involved in something more complicated. If they were the fourteenth, they quit their post before the apocalypse, knowing the risks of even creating something like Zodiark. Even when he was born, they would probably try to find another solution than summoning another similar existence. One theory I have is they actually escaped the sundering of the world, but ended up making a pact with Hydaelyn, and got split with their own consent to become the new worlds' guardian(s), until perhaps, the worlds would merge again.

I assume they're definitely gonna reveal the details of who we were, and how we were involved in that in the future story anyway.

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archshankerSMN•

The interpretation I got out of the story was we were indeed the 14th, but we're only "half", as we'd only been rejoined 7 (now 8) times.

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Altbion:dnc2:•

Yeah, we're now 9/14 complete. I think it's too much to not be important, so that point will definitely be adressed. The wol being fully merged again would be extremely signifiant, as not only were they an ascian/amarautian, they were one of the most powerful ones. Potentially getting their memories and powers back would change a lot of things.

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SufferNotWHM•

Thinking more about this, it gives us a unique opportunity. The 13th shard was completely destroyed and nothing was left that the Ascian's could use to rejoin... except that Ukulokka (or what ever his name was), hydaleyn's champion from that world, managed to escape and flee to the source. Assuming we could figure out how to rejoin with him, that would let us become more whole than anything whose 13th bit was destroyed when that shard was lost.

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kami232OPDaine Gerzone - Sarg•

I really like that hypothesis.

And it fits in the the themes of sacrifice we've gotten from Thancred, Minfilia, Ryne, Future Tia, and Hades. Two of the side quests from the Ascian Shades touches on this by addressing creation and the role of Amaurot in the world - is it their duty to help others, or should they look out for themselves?

Still, it makes me curious how the player character fits into this because Emmett's optional dialogue definitely leads towards this and Hythlodaeus notes Ardbert's soul was the same color as ours to "confirm" it.

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Altbion:dnc2:•

I'm assuming the whole truth about the wol's original self will be adressed in the future story.

Amaurotians/Ascians are especially important, as they were basically the species standing above the rest of humanity in that world, with the responsibilities and powers that come with it. Elidibus and the wol being the last ones remaining of that species, specifically the high council, will definitely be a key point in the future imo.

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kami232OPDaine Gerzone - Sarg•

Yeah, Elidibus's current status as the "last" Ascian of note is why I'm curious about his real name. Hence the hypotheses for Python and Apollo.

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SufferNotWHM•

I'd like to look at Lahabrea more and see if I can find anything that connects him to a specific greek god. I had initially though Elidibus was Zeus because he seemed to be in charge and the three surviving ascians lined up with hades's two brothers. But that theory only holds water if Lahabrea is Poseidon and I've not had a chance to relook at any of his stuff to validate my thoughts.

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sp8der•

Lahabrea is the scion opposite Mateus in FFXII, who is representative of Pisces, and is a fishman with a trident.

Incidentally, Emet-Selch, being Hades, is opposite Zalera the Death Seraph.

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kami232OPDaine Gerzone - Sarg•

That’ll be a good way to test both hypotheses, and Lahabrea is next on my list. The problem is he is dead and I’d have to go back and find lore.

That said, we now have a dungeon with his notes showing us he’s a renowned scholar.

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