Is there anyone here who actually got to the Tiger(P) and then ground out like 500k exp on it to unlock all the tanks it leads to?
Posted Jul 9, 2019, 1:25 PM UTC
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I don't get Tiger P hate, personally. I played it to unlock VK100.01 and Tiger I and found it to be a reasonably pleasant experience. It's about the same as ARL44 - although DPM is poor, the rest of the gun stats allow you to comfortably shoot anything you might find yourself facing at just about any range, and the armor often lets you win trades. Just gotta find a second line position with a good overlook and keep plinking away without pause.
Speaking of armor, the common mistake is to think that it's a strong front for pushing, like, say, on O-Ni - it's not, too many holes for that. What it's really good for is bouncing return fire while you're ducking back into cover after taking a shot.
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So basically a sniper schnitzel with poor dpm, low alpha, no camo, very poor mobility, huge weak spots all over? It's trash.
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Its still better than most of the tier 7 heavies. I've got a 57% winrate in mine and I ground out both the VKA and VKP.
There really is never truly a bad tank its just a bad player unwilling to adjust their playstyle to suit the tank rather than expecting the tank to suit their normal playstyle.
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The T29 and IS would like to talk to you.
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Those are indeed way way better but the tiger P can be good if you play at mid range and only expose the 200mm of frontal hull while out snapping them so you minimize their time to aim on weakpoints
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There really is never truly a bad tank its just a bad player unwilling to adjust their playstyle
You don't become a good player by sniping from the back.
Yes, there are bad tanks, because there is a finite amount of tanks. So yeah, the Tiger P is factually, statistically bad.
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TIger P isn't a sniper tank.
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How would one become a good player then? >.> seems like sniping from the back is just one good tactic good players use.
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Really better than what tier 7?
AMX 45 maybe, IS no, KV3 no, Tiger no, Chinese IS-2 no, T29 ahh hells no
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O-NI and 45tp teabag it too
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AMX 45 is actually pretty good if you are willing to fire nothing but 330 alpha 105mm APCR.
I think the only tier 7 heavies that compare with the Tiger P are the Black Prince and FV201. And at least they can hull down, have good gun depression and don't take ten years to aim.
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There really is never truly a bad tank
Elitist bullshit. Go look at AMX 65T, one of the worst in the game.
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Never a truly bad tank? Have you heard of the AMX 40? Maybe the Churchill Gun Carrier? Pre-buff AT-8?
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The is the truth. Prepare for epic down votes.
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My problem with it was that it supposed to be this heavy armored (frontally) tank, but its a lie. It eats schlongs all day long and everyone and their dog know the weakspots. But the gun and mobility are good for heavy tank so i played it like tiger(h).
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All armor is relative to whats hitting it. Tiger P has heavy armor when being hit by light and medium tank rounds, but other heavy tanks with bigger guns penetrate. Its still heavy armor by definition though. Heavy armor doesn't mean impenetrable.
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But comrade Goebbels said it does!
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Tiger P only has heavy armor when the enemy auto-aims at its front or against tier 5s. Even when the Tiger P is well-angled and hiding a shoulder plate, an E8 can go through its lower plate about 50% of the time with standard AP, and that's one of the lowest pen values for a tier 6, barring stock guns and derps.
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It is a shittier tiger 1 thats y
The gun is the exact same but has worse stats
Its slower but its armor is just as useless And some other stats r shit
Also there r much better tier 7 heavies
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Armor makes a big difference, though. When firing from cover, Tiger P takes a lot less damage than Tiger I. It only becomes useless in the open.
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Tiger p just has so many weakspots that the armr is useless
Plus the amount of gold spam in the game makes it useless anyways
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*sighs*
What is it with people not reading the post before replying to it? I literally said that Tiger P's armor is full of holes earlier. That doesn't change the fact that it lets you bounce a lot of enemy fire (much more than Tiger I), including higher tier, as well same tier gold.
Yeah, the only truly reliably parts are the center of the upper hull and the turret mantlet. Incidentally, there are plenty of positions in game where you only need to peek those out to have line of fire. I lost count of situations where at 45+ degrees while pulling back into cover that one plate bounced something hair-raising like Scorpion G or even ISU-152 shell that would've 100% penned and fucked up a normal Tiger.
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I'm with you...on both the Tiger P and ARL44 opinions. They are pretty good tanks-if ts a BAD tank we are talking about then its those early Jap heavies...jesus Christ those things.
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So you are aware, the word jap is a racial slur. Please avoid using it in the future.
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I will try and remember that-no offence was meant and I am sorry. I just went for the short form
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That's what I figured was the case; I wasn't aware it was an offensive term either until recently.
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I agree, it was a great support vehicle. I’ve bounced shots off of massive tier 9 guns by angling the tank at some distance. They fire their shells at center of mass and it just plinks off the front.
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mostly because its powercreeped to hell.
- armor is 2 strips on the front hull the rest is autopen, turret has the same mantlet armor values of the t6 vk3001p...
- mobility is bad, like bad because you should have armor like oni or captured tiger but you dont...
- gun handling is trash and dpm is a joke, 2.8s aimtime just for a 240 hit? by the time you close the reticle he probably went back to cover and arti already shot you.
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I did.
Even the Ferdinand.
I unlocked the VK45.02(a) and then they introduced the VK100.01 line and I had to grind that out too.
On the plus side, I got a pretty experienced German Heavy crew by the time they moved into the VK45.02(a).
On the downside...
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Just play it like a Tiger I with a 200mm plate on the front and all broken modules, dead crew and perma stun.
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yes me i even 2 MOE ed it if i remember well
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Damn that's crazy, about how long did that take do you reckon? Seems a pretty efficient way to reach those lines, but so many games in the same tank
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a long time though i didn’t focus on it i went for the x2 and sometimes used boosters look me up in-game to find exact numbers
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also it is better then IS and sorta expensive to run,
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How dare you insult my IS like that 😂
I personally liked the IS a lot better than anything besides the T29 because of it's incredible mobility
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I did the same. Took me 147 games. I like tier 7. It has a good gun and great view range like most German heavies. I had fun in the 2nd line.
I probably unlocked a couple modules with free xp and the mid tier germans share tonnes of modules too.
I actually kept it for a month after finishing because I thought about making my first 3 marked tank. But I never took it out so I sold it.
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What? No way you ground out about 500k exp in 147 games.
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Yeah. I used boosters, and daily doubles (and premium account) and I think we had the Ferdi on track (The NA version of top of the tree if u are on EU) so there was a 1.3x bonus if you damage two enemy tanks. I would need to check in game, but my average base XP for the Tiger P is likely around 900 (including the +50% premium account bonus) . So, you add a 100% booster onto that and you get 1800, daily double gets you to 2700 and your total is pretty close to 400K xp. So when u factor in the 1.3, event x3/x4/x5 bonuses, or a christmas x.5 bonus, larger boosters sometimes, it is pretty straight forward to hit 500k.
The key seems to be the max view range. I did well in it for damage, but I also spotted all my own damage and got lots of assistance damage in it too. I just checked and wotstats and wotlabs say I played it at 2200 wn8 so, above average for a tier7 heavy but not Unicum level.
EDIT: I had a decent crew I spent time training from the Tiger 131. I think I played at about 3 skills for the 147 games.
EDIT 2: I had a 58.5% win rate in that tank, so that obviously helped.
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You don't need 500k in it, even if you do grind out all 4 tanks; both engines and all the guns but the top gun carry over from the VK 30.01P. Just over 400k gets you everything.
If you're making heavy use of daily win bonuses (especially high multiplier weekends) and boosters, and you do well in the tank, it's quite possible, especially with premium account.
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Dude, I did it in 107 games. 55% WR, 1200 WN8. Not my best, but good enough for government work.
Tiger (P) is a pretty good tank.
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You have a fair amount of shared modules on the tank, especially modules on the Tiger I, which seems way less harsh to play. It may ease the grind a bit.
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I have. Bought that thing like 3 heckin times because of the other tanks it lead to :P
My only real issue with it is the fact that everyone knows of the very accessible hull weak points now.
Didn't love it enough to keep it as a permanent tank though.
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But surely it costs more than 75k to grind up to fully upgraded jagdpanther, no? If you didn't have any in the TD line, but had Tiger(p) it would be more efficient to grind from Tiger (P)
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But this is more efficient unless you really want the jagdpanther
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I've been wondering this. Seems more efficient going up TD line, but unlocking those modules though...
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Okay so, ignoring module exp, it takes 187,210 exp to get the ferdinane going up the TD line. So it seem like it's more efficient to get it by from Tiger(p) but only if you already had the tiger(p) from grinding other lines
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You also have to take into account that you will need to research the second gun on the Ferdi if going from the tiger p
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Barely, it's about 100k for the tanks alone and I'd guess about 30k in modules (only the ones you need to skip) on top of that. However every tank up to Jagdpanther itself (which I'm on the edge about) plays very well. Highlights obviously being the Hetzer and the stug g.
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Most of the tanks on the way there are decent enough. Certainly better than the Tiger P. Plus, if you go through the TDs, you can get the JPII instead, which is better than the Ferdi in every meaningful way except hitpoints.
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Did it back in early 2015 when I was just starting out. Grind the German tree all branches at once. My stats still haven't recovered from that.
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It's only 2 tanks required since there are other ways of getting to the Tiger I and Ferdinand. By comparison I'd like to introduce you to the Bat-Chat 12 t, the only way of accessing 3 tier 9s for almost 600k XP total.
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The 12 t is a good tank though. I even considered, keeping it to train a second lt crew
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I know, but I as curious if anyone has skipped all the lines to tiger I and ferdinane by this
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Yeah I did when it was top off the tree and I liked it very much.
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I did. 225 battles and 58% wr. Dont know how But basically be second line support and try to bait shots on the front from a steep angle to bounce. Be ware to hide your shoulders. You have a really good gun that van almost snapshot. Good luck
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I played it and ground out the tiger 1 and the vk 45.02 A and I hated every moment of it and refuse to buy it to grind the mause line.
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what how much?
I did go through the Tiger(P) but I only remember it going to one line...
I went through the Jagtpanther to the Jageru, not through the Ferdinand.
I went through the Tiger 1 to the tiger 2.
Ah I have played 66 games and only have done the VK1001P line... Never went to the other line because I don't have a crew. I have the Maus now and the E-100.
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you can get vk 45, vk 100, ferdinand, tiger I all from tiger(p). I guess thats more like 400k xp maybe
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Full disclosure, I already had the Tiger 1, but I ground out the other three lines before there were boosters, and still ended up with a 58% WR on it.
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Yup and I enjoyed it
I will say I did it before Jap HT spam though
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Tbh it's a bit ridiculous to do that instead of going through the "normal" line for some of the Tanks like the ferdi. For the TDs especially, just so you have a crew to put in it when you get it.
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The ferdi isn't even that good anymore, it's armor has been power creeped and the jp2 has way better mobility and a better superstructure anyway
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I've unlocked the VK45 and VK100 from it and plan on getting the Ferdinand with it as a F2P. So far I'm at 233 games in the Tiger P with a 48.07% WR and 1169 WN8. I platooned a LOT of those matches with my friend in his Black Prince which resulted in us being in way more T 7-9 matches than is acceptable. I should have the Ferdinand unlocked in another 30-50 matches at which point I will sell this POS and send the crew to my Mauschen.
The Tiger P accounts for 6.5% of ALL matches I've ever played.
http://www.wotinfo.net/en/vehicles?playerid=1028254519&server=US
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Haha I feel your suffering. My first grinds in the game were the German turreted TD line and the Swedish TD line. I don't know wtf I was thinking. I have 166 battles in the nashorn at 39% WR. 150 battles in the IKV 65 II, also at 39% WR and 139 battles in the IKV 90B at 42% WR.
Imagine little noob me grinding out the ikv90b getting about 400 exp each match.
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I did 3 out of the 4 (no interest in the TD line) and 2-marked it. I'm thinking about finishing up the MoE just to have another one done.
As others have said, it's not bad, you just have to play around the limitations.
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I don't think it's bad at all, hell I got a radley walters in it recently, not even fully upgraded at the time. it's one of my best tanks. Just wondered if anyone had done that massive grind
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Its an ok tank. The DPM is underwhelming. But like others have said it can be really good when facing players who dont know the weakspots. Its not a tank i kept after completing the grind but it leads to some good tanks worth keeping.
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Yes, I did. It still hurts and I think sometime in 2025 I'll be ready to talk about it with a psychologist.
I burned a lot of those buyable x5 boosters to do this, but man, was it worth it. With activated boosters and a relatively decent game you can rake in 6-10k per match.
Edit: like a few people here, if I look back at it, it wasn't that bad. Tier 7 is way more forgiving than tier 8 and up, and the view range helps you get a lot of support damage when you're on the front lines.
I was thinking of doing the same but noticed the entire line up to unlocking the JP2 is about the same amount of xp as unlocking the ferdi from the tigerP. Im definitely going for the first option