I went through a few of the links and saw the same bullshit misinterpretation crap. My favorite was the link talking about how women don't have equal intelligence to men, but make up for it in "emotional" capabilities.
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Posted Jul 18, 2019, 2:32 PM UTC
It's bullshit to hide Islam's doctrinal misogyny.
Hmm. I’m gonna try to take a balanced approach to this.
What I see Islam as when it comes to the treatment of women is similar to what we see in the philosophy of MGTOW/The Red Pill(or the “so called red pill”). Now before any red pillers get angry at me, I want to mention that I’m going to stay objective on as to why i think so.
In the Red Pill philosophy, the man is the provider, care taker, etc. So it establishes traditional gender roles. Just like Islam
In the red pill society, the female partner should not object to any decision her man makes so long as it doesn’t affect the females needs(her needs to be provided for financially). Just like in Islam.
In the Red Pill society, women must be controlled as they are naturally deceivers, liars, unfaithful, and cheat. This is where “AWALT”(All Women Are Like That) comes into play. Just like Islam.
It’s modern day misogyny, and basically aligns with Islamic values.
Key difference is that Islam (religion in general) is the most beta blue pulled of all because it FORCES the red pill ideology and uses the fear tactic of divine punishment to “keep women in check”. So Islam is not only misogynistic(Red Pill), but it is also dehumanizing to men (they need to scare women with hell fire to keep them “loyal”).
Now let’s get to the point.
The islamic idea that women are lower in intelligence but make up for it by their emotional instinct is also one of those red pill values.
Clearly we see the negative detrimental effects Red Pill ideology has on relationships. It leads to unfulfilling relationships and psychological abuse for both the male and female. This is simply because Islam and The Red Pill use “dread” as a way to resolve conflicts in the relationship. What “dread” is is basically giving the cold shoulder. Rather than advocating communication, bonding and understanding each other’s wants and needs. Islam for example says to “forsake their beds, if they still don’t listen then beat them”(or something like that. Too lazy to cite the verse and Hadith but I’m sure everyone is aware of that verse). In the modern misogynistic red pill it enforces to ignore and neglect the female partner if she objects to something. In relationship studies, this is the biggest cause of breakups and/or a lifetime of abuse psychologically. Yes the female has the choice in modern misogyny to leave, but because no explanation as to why the man is giving the dread/cold shoulder...the woman continues to stay with him to see if she can make him happy, or to find out what’s wrong. So it’s a cycle of unhappiness. At the end of the day, a man has emotions and if he wants his relationship to work...he NEEDS to be able to put himself in a vulnerable emotional state and express his emotions to his wife healthily. Sadly neither Islam or modern day misogyny/MGTOW allow this.
Sadly both Islam and The Red Pill movement don’t consider these things. Rather both Islam and MGTOW is just a hatred for women. They see women as the enemy. Or they see women as a “threat to their emotional wall”. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the misogynistic aspects of Islam were brought about by the same way “The Red Pill philosophy” was brought about in the modern world.
In other words, beta incels and guys who were rejected by women are the most attracted to Islam(and the Red Pill). That in and of itself says a lot about the religion of Islam. Just angry sexually frustrated men who need to use the fear of God and Hell fire to keep their women in check. A bunch of misogynistic humans who think giving their female partner the cold shoulder helps them maintain their “alpha-ness” at the cost of the psychological state of the female.
Same shit, different day.
Like all "combat" lists for counter arguments and links to randomly drop imln a discussion, I think its pretty stupid.
Like generally, who is gonna read all those links? Why assemble a shit ton of links for people to use on "islamophobes"? If it was at least meant as information for Muslims to strengthen their deen or whatever, fine. But thinking that the only way to win the case by pure confrontation, against people who have clearly more logic behind them, is even older and dumber than islam itself.
Its just another drop in the us vs them bucket, that shows one of the ugly sides in human nature...
There is a lot to go over, but it seems like they slapped together anything that said refutation and made a "masterlist" out of it.
Some of their sources like Discover the Truth, Call to Monotheism, Answering Christianity. SMH!
I don't know. Does anyone want to dissect some of their links?
One thing I admire about that list is how many muslims came together to contribute to it. If exmuslims would collaborate the same way and put in a similar effort, it would be awesome. If only there were more people on the same level as exHOTD. I've seen a few commenters on r-exmuslim that are very knowledgeable but also apathetic.
Yeah, I suppose if I posted a hundred links from Wikiislam, TROP, Answering Islam, Rational Wiki etc. We could make our own "Masterlist", but let's give it a less pretentious name than "The Masterlist".
True. I'm almost tempted.