Moving Scam- currently going through one

So I made an error and hired a sham company. I feel like a damn fool! Here are some quick and dirty tips I have learned in this process to keep yourself from becoming me.

I will name the company in a separate post once my stuff arrives.

First off- online reviews! These appear to be very easy to fake now. All the online reviews were superb! Looking at it now, every single positive google review were from "people" using stock images and who have only left ONE review. If all reviews on google match that criteria RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!

Secondly - non-binding estimate (here is when I should have ran away). The estimate wasn't binding like some of the others I received. Meaning, I am charged for volume used in the truck no matter what. Reputable companies use a binding estimate.

Thirdly- our pickup was delayed by 5-6 hours. This meant the movers showed up at 6pm to our house. At that point, all offices are closed and well it gets dark. At the end of the move (11:30pm) is when the shit show began. And the scam become apparent.

Fourthly- We believe the movers packed EMPTY boxes in order to fill out the space on the truck. So that no matter what pictures or video were taken- it would show a fuller truck. the movers actually had enough space for DOUBLE our estimate as well. We just figured we were first on the truck - nope. that was the scam

Since it was so late, honestly, we got caught off guard and then figured out that MAYBE the company just hired a scam driver. Made an error- and that was that.

The driver/foreman stated that we A) used double the space allotted and B) used over $1,000 of moving materials (boxes, tape, bubble wrap etc), C) some of our items were extra bulky or different than the estimate (extra $500 or so in charges) and D) that if we paid him cash now for half the increased he would keep a lot of this off the paperwork to help us out.

At that point- in hindsight- I should have called the police. Again, just thought it was some bad driver and we would get it all resolved in the morning with the movers (not true- they appear to be completely in on it) HOORAY.

So now we are stuck paying double what was estimated in order to get our stuff here. I have some plans for after receiving our stuff but will keep that private until my stuff is on site.

Keep away from scammers. There are some websites out there that tell you the best companies to use. I suggest using one of the big 4 no matter the cost for an interstate move. There are better local movers depending on the city. Again, go with a larger reputable company. Sadly, these types of folks make the local guys look bad. Get an accurate over estimation. And do not use any smaller "local" guys for interstate moves OR companies with apparent fake reviews.

I was scammed due to a few missteps. This is actually my third interstate move - so I should have known better. (I know many of you think so) but I wanted to put this out there during peak move season so people can be smart.

tl;dr - in the midst of a scam move. Few notes on what NEW tricks to look for. Be smart. Move with the bigger companies.

Edit: I did receive my stuff. I am going to pursue legal action as there are 2 major things I see easy to prove in court. If it doesn't work out, I'll name the company and post some shit. Oh and over 50% of my stuff is now damaged.

Posted Jul 20, 2019, 2:02 PM UTC · edited

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TheSpatulaOfLove•

My last move, I developed a full blown RFP with photos, mileage, measurements, documented stair cases and difficult passage ways. In it, I wrote language that said I had provided more than adequate detail to accurately quote the move prior to award and any additional fees would not be paid.

When I submitted it to multiple moving companies, I figured I would get bids back. Only 2 responses out of 10 submissions.

First one said: “Uhh, we still need to send someone out to assess...” No, I gave you an accurate count of boxes, documented pieces of large furniture, etc.

Second one said: “holy cow, we’ve never seen someone so organized with their move. We will do it for $x”. They were hired, that’s what I paid, and every worker made an extra $50 in tip. Smoothest move ever.

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InnerouterselfOP•

Next time- for real. Great idea.

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Llyxia•

Can you tell me what company you used?

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TheSpatulaOfLove•

It was a local firm I hired, but I submitted it to all the movers I found that claimed to service my area, including the big name movers.

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Crinklytoes•

TheSpatulaOfLove---Best moving advice ever!! My two moves were during times that were very disorganized and crappy, your post makes me understand that it's best to be over-organized with zero vulnerabilities. It's best to over-plan. Great lesson you provided great perspective. I needed that!!!

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TheSpatulaOfLove•

After moving across the country a couple times, you learn to minimize the stuff you keep. Granted, that’s hard when you’re rooted for awhile, but it’s soul-cleansing to go through everything in your storage once every four to six months and ask yourself ‘Have I missed using/looking at this item in the past few months?’ If you haven’t touched it, be rid of it. It also helps keep things organized. Bring a label gun, turn on some tunes, pour some wine (or bev of choice) and just go through things.

Another cleansing experience is a flood, but that’s another story...

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beef-dip-au-jus•

Nice to see a helpful scam warning instead of the normal "I got confused by this person asking me to wire them $10,000 and i just did it anyway to be nice, what should i do now?"

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InnerouterselfOP•

hah. Yeah and this is peak moving season. So lots of people are now googling moving scammers etc. So I wanted to get some fresh tips. Lots of great websites out there (that I read... doh).

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ShinyPangolin•

But that's the only way I pay the IRS!

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producermaddy•

Something similar happened to me. Cross country move. They picked up my stuff (I was already in the new town) and they called saying that they put the wrong zip code in and wanted to charge me double. I said fuck that drop it off where you thought you were taking it to and I’ll hire a second moving company bc I am not paying you any more. Still paid about double but I refused to pay that moving company any more. I told them where I was going it’s not my fault they put in a zip code 6 hours away. I suspect they did this on purpose.

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InnerouterselfOP•

I never heard of that one. Crazy. Once they have your stuff... it gets scary how much power they have.

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Apple-Core22•

I had a similar thing, they demanded $1000 extra at the point of drop-off or they wouldn’t unpack my stuff. I was young and home alone with 2 small kids so I paid up. It still makes me sick to my stomach thinking about it almost 15 years later. Sorry it happened to you.

I’ve moved twice since then, and We’ve done it ourselves both times.

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GreenGlowingMonkey•

Similar thing happened to me on my most recent move. They got to the site and demanded an "unload fee".

This took me very much by surprise, as I had only had military movers up to that point, and they were all great (why screw up such a lucrative contract?).

I called the police. Right in front of the movers. They asked me not to. Offered to unload for free and even unpack and put away the goods. Cops came, the truck got unloaded.

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Apple-Core22•

Well darn, why didn’t I think of that? Honestly, our stuff at the time was so crappy I doubt it was even worth $1000 at resale... I should have just let them keep it! Lol!!

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GreenGlowingMonkey•

You probably didn't think of it because you were tired and stressed and worried about your stuff and your kids.

That's why they do shit like this; the scimbags know you're in a compromised mental state.

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Crinklytoes•

Apple-Core22 Paying movers gives us the luxury of time to make better decisions, with kids, etc., snap decisions are usually bad, I know, for example, that my stuff is only valuable to me, but I have time to decide, when using a legitimate moving company.My stuff currently sits in storage with United van lines, so who knows what will happen, but I have time to decide.

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InnerouterselfOP•

It is super scary too. Talk about losing faith in humanity...

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Apple-Core22•

I know. 😢

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Suspicious_Parsnip•

We got hit by something very similar back in 2004. Despite having everything packed and measured, our boxes and furniture suddenly grew by a factor of two. We ended up telling them to take what they'd loaded and we went to get a U-Haul to load and drive the rest ourselves.

I reported those assholes to the FBI and they were actually interested. I don't know what eventually happened but they did ask for our documentation on the move.

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Monalisa9298•

Thanks for posting. It’s incredibly easy to get scammed these days and we all have to be super careful.

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InnerouterselfOP•

There are companies that are VERY VERY good at this. And they operate in our backyards. Crazy town

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Blackfeathr•

Yeh I just dealt with moving company shenanigans... wasn't a scam, just flagrant incompetence.

Trying to get my stuff from the house of an abusive family member that I did not want to know where I live now. I begged the receptionist to not disclose my address to her. They promised it'd be confidential.

Lo and behold, the day comes when the movers arrive. It's a shitshow the minute they pull in because apparently they smashed her side gutter in while backing up. Then they thought she was paying even though I paid the deposit and specified I was paying multiple times. In that process, they revealed my address. The person I live with gets a text from her just as the truck arrives here. Fuck.

So now I have to file for PPO and change my name because the person they pissed off and revealed my location to is legitimately insane.

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exile2600•

I'm sorry this happened to you but thank you for sharing your experience. I'm moving next month and am disabled so I can't lift much. I was torn between assembling a posse of friends and family for the DIY route or hire a company. I'm going DIY but, if that falls through, I'll need a company. Your information is valuable if I need to start searching.

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InnerouterselfOP•

If you do not have a lot of stuff- I have heard good things about some of the popular pod companies. Ours was too big for a pod

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Plumbus4life•

Don’t feel to bad. This seems like a pro scam team. Fake reviews Etc, these guys know what they are doing.

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InnerouterselfOP•

Oh yeah, they are 100% top tier in the scam dept. Got it down to a science.

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Areeb_U•

My best advice- pack everything yourself, hire from a company with a physical store who only operates 1-2 trucks, that way you can personally meet with the owner as most of the time they are the movers themselves. Post about the movers in a Facebook page where the movers are located to see if anyone’s done business with them before. This way you’re not charged any jacked up prices for materials and your stuff is not held Ransom. Even if you call the police you signed a contract giving them rights to your property to be moved and only be released when they’re paid. happened to a family friend once and the police’s Advice was “ they know where you live now, where your kids go to school, and if you have any valuable possessions” it’s better to just pay them and learn from it. I hope everything turns out well for you OP.

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mouthmen•

As someone who’s worked local, and interstate moving for years I say go with a quality, licensed, bonded, insured mega 100% of the time. You will absolutely pay more right out of the gate, but you will be covered. The worst thing you can do for your personal property that you care about, is a hire a bunch of shmucks that will make sure they cover the dent in your bedroom wall with a nightstand to make sure they get a tip.

On another note, I’ve had tons of customers that don’t understand what goes into moving, and gets mad about a price, for a service completed exactly how they ordered it. (Not saying this is you).

Sorry to hear about your experience. Moving is one of the most stressful things a person can go through and I hope it clears up for you.

Edit: a word

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InnerouterselfOP•

Oh I know I screwed up on this one. Still sucks. Got scammed and have to deal with it

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Crinklytoes•

mouthmen -- so far utilizing a big company is working for me, although I am still storing my stuff, at least it's a large company that has been in existence for 50 years.

So I feel safer than my little guys moving experience, that was a logistical nightmare. I just hope that most of my stuff survives, in its current united van storage location. I'm doubting its survival, since I was told that everything would be stored inside a climate controlled building. NOPE, nope, that's not the case.....So, I'm leery, although the weight of my stuff magically matched their estimate exactly, so that part is great. As is their customer service for storage, gold stars, I just have zero idea of knowing why everything is inside their massive building that isn't climate controlled...Kinda weird since they advertised vaults...

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Parking_Willow•

Can't you make sure the police is there when they arrive so you can show them the empty boxes etc?

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InnerouterselfOP•

That is what I should have done at the packing stage. And yes- if they give me any issues - then I will call the police 100%. My goal right now is to get my stuff- then go to my next plan.

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CaptainEarlobe•

What's the next plan?

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Parking_Willow•

He's obviously not gonna tell so it's either burn the truck and cut off the driver's fingers or make a post online and hope it goes viral.

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InnerouterselfOP•

Correct- not going to put the details out until I put the plan in motion.

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SingForMaya•

Yikes, I just thought about hiring movers and called a couple places for some quotes. After the first 2 came back I decided I couldn’t spare the ~$800 and said fuck it I’ll ask any willing family or friends; I’d rather pay them a lil something and feed them than hire strangers for many hundreds of dollars.

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InnerouterselfOP•

It is sad as the economy thrives on competition. But for some reason these small moving companies are running scams much more easily. Its crazy.

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