Posted Jul 26, 2019, 4:13 AM UTC
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Of course it's the intellectually lazy ones who engage in all of this. They only put thought into what they want to be true instead of investing any into actual reality.
But it’s like, they sometimes get started on the right path, like Flat Earthers see something they personally don’t understand, so they try to design experiments to prove their hypothesis, but then when even their pretty well-designed experiments fail, they jump to the wrong conclusions. The documentary “Behind the Curve* shows some examples. The Flat Earthers come up with excuses instead of considering they might be wrong. No matter what, it’s always somebody else’s fault they can prove their conspiracy theory.
Some of the idea on this list have at least some bits of truth, but they then of course go too far and make the wrong, outrageous conclusions. Then, conveniently, if the tiny portion of truth is in any way re-iterated by an event, they celebrate it as proof of the whole thing. (Or move their goalposts, or both.)
Like the amount and extent to which “Upper Echelons” are involved in pedophilia and sex trafficking - they take Epstein or R. Kelly, etc., and assume it means anyone they want to brand a pedophile is definitely a pedophile, by simply being in the “Upper Echelons”, a term which of course is undefined and vague. I guess anyone who is famous enough that they’ve been in the news or in some form of popular media, or anyone can be connected to those people, are “Upper Echelons”. Superstars, as branded by the Conspiracy community, are Illuminati or weaponized Nazi Mind-Control from the Deep State. Nothing is too outrageous, and nothing debunks anything.
The “Upper Echelons” sure are busy, according to this list, by the way.
Instead, it's always lazy absolutism, "All history is a lie and Atlantis is real."
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Firstly, everything is fake.
You know, the number one goal of outlets like Fox News (and then on the right-wingnut "sources" that followed) was to make viewers question reality itself. I suppose they succeeded if this kind of stupidity is a result.
Also, if magic is real, let's see some. Perpetual motion should be a thing by now if they could pull off real magic.
Perpetual motion should be a thing by now if they could pull off real magic.
Ever heard of Nikola Tesla? It's not a story a (((shill))) would tell you.
I don't know which is worse: The use of Tesla to suggest that any silly technology exists without evidence by conspiranauts, or the same thing being done as a lazy plot device in video games.
They believe trumps uncle stole “Tesla’s papers” and now their Donnie has them, and so he holds all the keys to the universe, including unlimited energy, which is why he’s so powerful.
It'd make more sense that Trump used his time machine (yes, that's a thing) to get dirt on Mitch McConnell, and that's why he's got protection from prosecution.
I mean, in reality, McConnell is just an evil old man, but it doesn't sound as good on the cover of a comic book.
At least videogames are supposed to be kind of stupid. Not to say that the aren't very well written ones with clever and engaging stories, but as a whole they're usually excuses to justify a character single handedly murdering hundreds of people, Hard to tell a compelling story when between every exposition bit, you need the character to engage in unrelated mass slaughter.
I'd say people believing it for real are a much bigger problem.
That's not all video games to be honest. Quite a lot have no actual death in them, many have no fighting in them. Some like Undertale, Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas all have combat that's completely optional. As in you can do the game as a complete pacifist and never kill an NPC. Never mind a lot of strategy games that you can win purely though research, diplomacy, and/or converting people to your power's faith.
Only True Patriots™️ would tell you! Trump’s uncle (the one who knew all about the nuclear, and the power) examined the recently deceased Nikola Tesla’s papers in 1943, on behalf of the Alien Property Custodian Office, while he worked for the National Defense Research Committee in WWII.
Which, of course, means Trump has had all the absolutely existent secrets to literal Death Ray, Teleportation, and Time Travel machines. That’s how Q can be so accurate! Trump is a time traveler!
This is what most of the Qult actually patriotically faithfully believes.
Also, did you notice? Take a moment, look closely, open your mind.
The Alien Property Custodian Office!! Peruvian coffee for you!
NO COINCIDENCES. ALIENS CONFIRMED.
Peruvian coffee
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Did you just covfefe the covfefe?
Not that kind of magic.. What he says is that if you focus on one subject, magically you can start to see proofs everywhere.
Firstly, everything is fake.
OK then
Magic is real
HOLD ON
I haven't provided any sources for two reasons; 1) You should really be looking into all of these things yourself, taking what others have to say as true and not thinking for ourselves is how we got in this mess in the first place. 2) These require in-depth study and an internet article consisting of four paragraphs isn't enough to explain it.
Yea I am sure that he hasn't provided any sources because he wants others to help themselves,
I am sure the in depth study he has done has likewise been from people that don't have any sources because they wanted people to help themselves.
Source: Harry Potter books 1-7. If you don’t have the books, the movies are fine in a pinch.
They’re so honorable and support individualism. They just want everyone to come to the right conclusions the independent way! Like the Qult, for example. (The obsession with pedophilia as displayed in the linked list is pure PizzaGate 2.0 aka Qanon Qult.)
“Q helps us thinks for ourselves, he just gives us clues and we find the answers all by our own selves!”
::Q leaves the most leading, self-explanatory “clues” or just makes statements with a ? at the end::
Kinda like Blue’s Clues, only Q’s Clues. And they assume the “answers” have any value or meaning.
Qult: “Hillary wearing red, the color of blood, means that she’s a child killer! She’s a vampire! She’s the undead seeking eternal life by killing children and drinking their blood! They’re so blatant with their evil!”
”We found the Truth* ourselves”!
(Note: Not how Truth works.)
But aside from those tactics - Q never asks what color tie Trump always wears, nor does the Qult read into anything about anyone they like.
If you’re new to conspiracy continue on the path of skepticism and thinking for yourself. Certainly don’t let someone else tell you “what’s going on”.
I hate that conspirifucks have twisted "skepticism" to mean "only believing what randos on YouTube tell me."
If magic were real, surely we would see obvious spells cast every day of our lives. Hell, someone would have collected James Randi's challenge by now.
Of course black magic is real. How else do you explain justin bieber. Or fergie? Hell, I'll do one better than that cheap shot. A magick spell is an arrangement of words that reshapes the world: fox news, hannity, or the daily mail here in the uk. Consider how their viewers almost live in a different reality to the rest of us.
Robert anton wilson once wrote something along the lines that words are the borderline where rival shamans stopped fighting, and the language twisting twisting (repetition deliberate) that opinion performers like alex jones and hannity use is, in itself, what used to be called magick. And they're doing it for their own personal power, which is the definition of black magick.
On a saner note, we call this propaganda and information warfare now, but it's the same methodology. Tolkein, and peter jackson for that matter, portrayed it perfectly with Wormtongue. The only embellishment was the physical change to the king. But we all know at least one person who has had a similar intellectual hardening as a result of buying into these modern dark shamans.
The kind of popular skeptics who are actual professionals in their various and relevant fields, with formal educations and qualifications, are the ones who often actually explain how they apply skepticism and often demonstrate it through debunking these very things self-proclaimed “skeptics” believe in. I’ve read, listened to, and watched James Randi, Michael Shermer, Richard Wiseman, Richard Dawkins, Penn & Teller, Brian Dunning, Joe Nickell, Mick West, etc.
Speaking of YouTube, even some of my favorite YouTubers, like Captain Disillusion, Myles Power, Big Joel, José, PoliDice, Shaun, and HBomberguy, who are like a subset of skeptics, take the YouTube videos of conspiratorial thinkers, Alt-Right liars, anti-SJWs, and other bigots, and debunk their propaganda on various topics. (Some especially dangerous beliefs, like drinking bleach, and some rather harmless ones, like Flat Earth - Hail Sobek!)
But alll of those people, and more, really everyone that dares dispute the type of thinking what is outlined in the OP, are dismissed as SHILLS and/or (((THEM))) by Conspiracy Theorists. Which shows what their truest, deepest motivations are. Not to be right, but to be superior. Not to find the truth, but the Truth™️. Which is harder to believe, thousands and thousands of paid shills downvoting comments on Reddit about Hollow Earth Theory and belief in Inter-dimensional Aliens because the same (((Upper Echelons))) have their fingers in all of it? Or that most people actually applied critical thinking and found it hogwash? Every time, rConspos will say the former, with smug disdain. It’s that condescending smug disdain to the “sheep” that is the real drug for people with conspiratorial thinking.
Being a skeptic and “thinking for yourself” is not rejecting everything mainstream. Being a skeptic is not embracing everything that is not mainstream. It’s not black and white. It’s not a contest between two sides, with many battles, like anti-vaxx and Nazi-developed mind control and (((international bankers))) and ((Hollywood))) adding up to one big war, the way Qanon is becoming the Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory. When I think “skeptics”, I do not think of conspiracy theorists. The words that come to mind are “credulous reactionaries”.
Whew, had a lot to get off my chest.
1600 upvotes. Were doomed.
TBF - I would've upvoted it too, it's the lighthearted FUN conspiracy I miss.
I actually had some fun with it, went down the rabbit hole of freemasons and gave out names/texts to those who were interested.
What drives me insane is that everyone in that thread is saying "Go do the research and find sources." Why can't they just post the texts themselves?! Half the fun of "conspiracies" are finding the secrets and sharing them with like-minded people.
Trying to reach out to these people in the way they would be most receptive is already maddening, but they don't care if it challenges their world view, making it feel like a wasted effort.
4560 when I looked just now.
5.4k now. That so many are sold on this nonsense is both shocking and depressing.
It's actually remarkable. So many r/conspiracy threads devolve into "it was the Jesuits" "nah mate, it was the luciferian cabal" "you're both idiots, the reptilians' influence is clear"...
But most of them apparently agree with this infantile fantasy.
Aliens exists but they travel interdimensionally and some of them are what we would classify as 'demons'.
Lol what is this drivel and how did it get so many upvotes?
It's weird because I've believed in the "inter-dimensional aliens" thing for years as a way to explain any possible "sightings" and "how can they travel long distances".
Any time "aliens are demons" comes into play, though, I just shake my head at how stupid it sounds, and how obvious it is that the person saying it is just a ridiculous Christian who claims anything they're clueless about or fear is a demon.
My embarrassing alien hot take is that maybe we really can't see them. I saw half of what the bleep do we know and they talk about the Native Americans not being able to spot the approaching ships because they had never seen one, like they just don't know the concept of a ship because your eyes aren't cameras, it's your brain and stuff and I thought that was kinda interesting. If aliens were real its still sorta inconceivable what they'd look like. I mean, they wouldn't look like this https://imgur.com/czCQ8hs.jpg
Or maybe they do who knows
Or you know, if they have the technology to cross the stars, they've probably figured out cloaking devices as well.
Maybe we need to sniff them out then
TIL The Burning Legion is real.
This is just the plot to Doom.
Oh hey, a shout-out for 432hz music! One of my favorite brands of woo!
I remember when I found some music I liked and then it turns out the person behind it was all in on 432hz woo. I don't think I've gone "Oh well, this was nice while it lasted." faster.
This really is a great one.. Whenever this is brought up, you can instantly drop their knowledge level to 2nd grader when it comes to physics. They don't then even know what a "second" is.
What's that?
People who believe a miniscule adjustment to the pitch of your music will suddenly bring it into harmony with the fundamental vibration of the planet, and it'll suddenly sound way better and improve your mental health, etc.
And some believe further there's a global conspiracy to record music at 440hz (which is the international standard for the note A) in order to mentally/spiritually cripple the listener.
I emphasize it has zero with music being "in tune" with itself, but just minutely shifting everything absolutely while keeping it identical relatively.
To put it in other terms it's like someone saying that making your photos 8000 pixels wide is a scam and adjusting them all to 8010 will make the colors more brilliant and give you inner peace when you look at them.
One of the dumbest conspiracy theories around, and honestly a refreshing change from politics.
For anyone curious, here's a great video that goes into 432 Hz and why it's nonsense.
This does a good job of illustrating how conspiracy thought develops. The first seven bullet points all contain some truth, or rather, they reflect the truth sometimes. The problem is that it's turned into absolutes: news outlets lying sometimes turns into all news being fake, and some elites being pedophiles turns into all elites running pedo rings.
So it all starts with some correct observations about the injustices of this world, but then quickly devolves into unreflecting conjecture (even worse from bullet point 8 onwards).
It's similar to racism, which is often fed by some half-truths or individual incidents (some North Africans assaulting people in Cologne on New Year's Eve) which are then turned into black-and-white absolutes (all North Africans are rapists).
What flies by all these people's heads is that reality is much more complex and nuanced.
Do you even exist?
That will require in-depth study. You know, the famous ReSeArCh.
Man, I was so into this post and then it just derailed. It's as if someone sane and aware wrote the first section, and then a [adjectives omitted] person decided to tack on some "extra" thoughts to the end.
Holy r/SelfAwarewolves batman.
The fact that it got derailed couldn't possibly say anything about the thing as a whole.
Idk if this is the place for this rant, but I was pretty terrified when I saw that thread and the amount of support it was getting. I’m glad someone linked the thread here, I was beginning to think I was the crazy one who didn’t agree with what guy was saying, given the absence of any critical comments out of a hundred or so. It would just be tragic if he was alone in his delusions, but I’m worried that even the ones who interacted positively with that post are a fraction of the people in this country who believe the same things. I’m seriously very scared of these people. They are literally insane.
I had the opposite: "thank goodness, an old school, relatively harmless conspiracy". It is the pizzagate etc stuff that i'm worried about, that is a conspiracy that involves real people. Magical conspiracies are different, the "system" this guy has in mind is so big that no one is going to try to take it down single handed. This kind of conspiracy is less likely to cause such actions, it is too big.
More accurately, they're psychotic. People misuse the word, but "psychotic" just means that someone's become detached from reality.
You are thinking of delusions, not psychotic behavior. They are not exclusive... But psychotic has its own meaning.
Psychosis is a medical condition: " a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality. "
Delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
So psychotic people have delusions. The more accurate would be to say "they suffer from delusions" as psychotic really is its own thing, it has more requirements than delusion.
I don't know, that definition of psychosis sounds like it describes some people over at r/conspiracy pretty well.
I don't disagree with that...
That's unfortunately what most conspiracy theory boards allow themselves to become. They're so desperate for constant interaction and discussion that they allow the more deluded of the world to post their nonsense repeatedly until the more critically-minded leave or are forced out for not following the rest of the crowd.
You lose a lot of good discussion about secret military aircraft, or the search for Atlantis, or literally anything interesting because instead, you have literally insane people convinced that "aliens are demons" and that things like Pizzagate are real,so then the boards become nothing but that.
So much wrong there is literally no solid footing to start ripping into. I mean the first half was mostly 'well that's part true those words and concepts aren't completely separate then the second half was an acid trip on meth.
If you’re new to conspiracy continue on the path of skepticism and thinking for yourself. Certainly don’t let someone else tell you “what’s going on”.
Apart from the times they gatekeep and tell you which conspiracy theories you should be focused on, while calling anyone who brings actual evidence that destroys said theories "a shill" for not believing baseless claims.
Funny how this was posted over there on the day that pedophile and fantasist Carl Beech is jailed for 18 years in Britain for claiming that he and others were abused by a high-ranking pedophile ring in the 70s and 80s, accusing former politicians and celebrities of child rape and murder and causing the Met police to spend £2million investigating his claims, only to find out he was making it all up for attention.
The politicalization of conspiracy is perfectly highlighted by the Epstien scandal. Ive seen major news outlets metion the Clinton-Epstien connection while ignoring the Trump Epstien connection.
Wow, I had no idea believing things you're told without question and without evidence is really "thinking for yourself," as long as they're not things (((THEY))) say are true! TIL
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This post is a great example of the paradox that is the r/conspiracy poster. On one hand they claim to be open minded and that they came to their conclusions objectively, but all their beliefs are unchangeable, no matter what new evidence is presented to them.
They inject ambiguity into their claims by constantly reminding you the world is a large and complicated place while completely ignoring factual details that conflict with their theories.
Its just a complete refusal to see the world in any other way than black and white.
Certainly don’t let someone else tell you “what’s going on”.
That comment spells it out, as a group they only agree that 'something is going on'. And a statement that vague can't be refuted unlike every more specific idea they have. So this is what sticks.
They had me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie.
I love the way these idiots have never been able to grasp the way the money supply is managed. Surely we can’t just create money when we want to grow the economy?? That conflicts with my baseless intuition! Never mind that we always have, it just took the extra step of digging it out of the ground.
Theres so much to choose from. But i just love that “magic is real” line. These people literally live in a fantasy land.
Everything is fake. But also magic is real.
You don't understand. Everything is fake because it's all a simulation. But magic is real because it works inside the simulation. It's just so abstracted into the programming of the universe that only an elite few basement dwellers are capable of harnessing it's capabilities.
And Kyrie Irving.
There is no spoon.
There is, however, an interdimensional extraterrestrial demon worshipped as a god by satanic elites.
Clinton is the One confirmed. Does that leave Sanders as the Architect? /s
Teach me oh wise one