Where should i move?

i am a 24 year old german, currently going to college, but i think i might not want to continue. i worked before going to college and have 25k €.

i'm currently living with my parents but i think i'm getting too old for that and decided to move out next year. i planned to stay in my crappy hometown and keep studying, but if i dont continue studying, there's nothing keeping me here.

i first considered moving to a rather cheap town in germany and just hang out for a few years. i mean not having a job and working on my personal projects (which might or might not get me money).

but i now realized that moving to a different country is also an option. this would also make for a better story. i wouldn't be a dropout bum wasting his money, i would be brave and adventurous! ;)

im rather overwhelmed by the options. :) i think i would prefer a place that has a whole bunch of other foreigners, but not just tourists or old people of course. it should be really cheap so my money will last longer.

i liked the idea of moving to argentina, but i think it's probably not cheap enough. :( or is it? i mostly read about buenos aires.

what do you think?

Posted Jun 30, 2010, 10:50 PM UTC

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electronegative•

With that kind of cash on hand, in the current economic environment, you could live comfortably for five years here in Buenos Aires (longer if you were willing to live 45 minutes to an hour outside of the city center in the province). The city is very diverse and has a lot to offer. Though I've not really sought them out, there are plenty of foreigners here, particularly in the neighborhoods of Palermo (generally longer-term stays) and San Telmo (more passing-through tourists).

I moved here from the US this past October without any friends, a job, or knowledge of Spanish. I found it very easy to adapt to life here, and I found all three of those very quickly. If you're seriously considering coming here, let me know what kind of specific information you're looking for, and I'll try to be as of much help as I can.

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ColonelFuckface•

Buenos Aires is awesome (I got to go once about 15 years ago). Right across is Montevideo, too. Both have alot of Italians, I always figured if I had to flee NY, I'd go there and try to get taken in by that community. Great food and wine, weather, women. The Paris of the western hemisphere!

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dopplerdog•

The Paris of the western hemisphere!

Isn't the Paris of the western hemisphere.... Paris?

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ColonelFuckface•

Paris is east of the prime meridian.

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GotttzscheOP•

cool, i was afraid it wouldn't last as long.

have you found a job yet? why did you decide to move?

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DikembeMutumbo•

He said he did find one quickly. The question is what type?

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electronegative•

I'm living the cliché-- teaching English for now. I have a degree in chemistry and a job offer from the father of a friend I made here, but I'm procrastinating grad school, and I decided that I'd rather have a bit of a break from lab work. There are a lot of options here for programmers, though, as well. I'm told that Buenos Aires is second only to India in outsourced development handling, and that if you're particularly skilled, you can do pretty well for yourself here.

That said, I know nothing of the task of finding legal work here. Companies generally don't want to bother with securing visas for foreigners, and they'd rather not pay taxes to the corrupt government if they can avoid it. Though I've never experienced any problems with it, if I decide to stay here for the long term, I'll definitely want to investigate this.

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DikembeMutumbo•

How is the teaching english thing working out for you? I was considering doing it. We're kind of in the same boat cuz right now I'm working in biotech and holding off grad school too!

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electronegative•

Well-- there's an important distinction to make. If you want to make that last, you can't live the way that most expatriates and foreign visitors here do. The nightlife and entertainment options here are endless. Clubs and bars are frequently open until sunrise on weeknights, and on weekends parties can continue into the afternoon. Most clubs charge an entrance cover, though, and the alcohol markup (compared to grocery stores) can be as much as 500-600%. I've met a few people here who burn Euros faster than they did at home. That said, it's very possible to find cheap apartments (or rented rooms, if you can deal with that). It's just a matter of finding the Argentine landlords who aren't looking to simply take advantage of foreigners. I live very cheap here compared to back in the states (~$500 US/month), and I do so in an apartment that's centrally located. I sampled the party environment my first few weeks here, but now I'm a little more sane about it. If you shop in grocery stores and limit expensive outings to once every week or two (I prefer a few quiet beers with friends and conversation generally, anyway), you can live comfortably for cheap.

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notjhh•

Why settle on just one? Try several; your opinions and views of the countries you're in will probably change over time.

I heard from someone a while back that Costa Rica was supposed to be nice.

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sheriontheroad•

I think you should definately rule out the southeast of the US. Kinda greasy down here.

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zarakosta•

Don't settle for a city. With 25k, you can easily travel for more than three years and you can see the whole world (and if you're willing to work every now and then, you can stay for a lot longer for a lot less money).

At the same time, I would actually recommend you go to Berlin first and especially if you're working on entrepreneurial or artistic projects, this is the perfect environment to get settled. If you need any infos just PM me.

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monsieurlee•

How far along are you in college?

The reason I ask is that if you are more than half way done, you should just tough it out and finish it. I realize that nowadays having a degree nothing special, but it is a barrier of entry for A LOT of jobs so you really should have it. You could always finish it at whatever destination you end up deciding on.

With that said, you can move anywhere in the EU and work so already you have a ton of options. I don't know much about Argentina, but I believe it is the most "european" of all the South American coutries and there is a relatively large number of German migrants (and no, not all of them are escaped Nazi war crimals).

But with 25k €, you will already have a huge headstart. So many people mo with nothing but the shirt off of their back.

Good luck!

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rajulkabir•

Cheapest would be the Middle East or Southeast Asia. Southeast Asia in particular has a lot of foreigners of all ages and wealth levels.

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EthicalReasoning•

se asia is a visa nightmare, get used to constantly border hopping and bribes

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rajulkabir•

Malaysia and Singapore are super-easy. 3-month stay each time on arrival, or alternatively, long-term visas are simple to obtain through clear processes and without any bribes to pay. Philippines isn't bad either.

It's mainly just Thailand that's a pain, and really that's a good thing, because Thailand isn't a great place to live unless you're really just there for cheap sex.

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GotttzscheOP•

i assume singapore is rather expensive since it's a big city, right?

what's so bad about thailand?

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rajulkabir•

Singapore is a lot cheaper than Germany (except rents, which are high, and alcohol, which is extortionate) but definitely more expensive than Malaysia/Thailand/etc.

Thailand's a fairly violent and corrupt place where foreigners are only tolerated as long as they are spending freely. Nice food though, for a while at least.

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jmkogut•

You can find fun anywhere that you go.

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gmansilla•

What are your projects about?

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GotttzscheOP•

im programming some stuff. probably just a hobby, but its possible that i make some money with it. need nothing except a pc and internet for that.

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gmansilla•

I also work in Software industry and I also want to move out from my country (Venezuela). You mention

its possible that i make some money with it

So, Haven't you charge any money so far?

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GotttzscheOP•

no, i haven't. i haven't released anything in a while. used to be a hobby game developer, but i released everything for free back than (...not that anyone would have paid for that ;)). been a while though, the money i got was from a regular job as a programmer.

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MeridianJP•

If you want to spend an extended period travelling without spending too much, read the Vagabonding book.

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DocTomoe•

Paraguay. Good climate. Few creepy species. German-speaking subpopulation. ass-cheap.

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rick-victor•

you should check out Houston, TX. It's like the Venice of the USA

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