They're on to us boys!
Posted Aug 12, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC
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I have never seen a smidge of anti-semetism on this sub. The leftoids, on the other hand, are the ones banning rainbow stars of David from their “intersectional” marches, and UK spirit animal Corbyn has more anti-semites in his party than the GOP
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Agreed. Maybe it's due to good moderation, but the criticisms I see of Bernie in this group are virtually entirely based on his half-baked policy, hypocrisy, egotism, pandering, lack of legislative accomplishments, bad-faith behavior, or the shitty antics of his cult. His religion has not come into it (and rightly so).
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I don't even think it's got to do with moderation.
Bernie is not an observant Jew and his campaign has nothing to do with his Judaism. There's just nothing there to go after even if you wanted to.
Truth is he's probably an atheistic Jew - like me - but he doesn't wanna mention it because atheism is even less popular than socialism. Also because most people just don't understand Jewish atheists. We're probably the only religion where you can be an atheist and still be in the religion.
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Probably because it's also a significant culture and technically an ethnicity as well. My family is also composed of atheist Jews.
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Philosophy-oriented Buddhists and Taoists are sometimes atheists.
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Philosophy-oriented Buddhists and Taoists are sometimes atheists.
Fair enough. Judaism is the only mainstream (in the west) religion that has that. Buddhists are obviously a huge religion, but still not mainstream in the west.
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If there was any crossover with T_D I wouldn’t be here. They’re delusional.
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There used to be. During the 2016 primaries. Most Trump supporters left during the general.
( Another user pointed out the the sub had no underscore then.)
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the reason there are underscores is that the guy that started the first one was a trumper and shut it down when he realized the community was not cool with that
specifically, when assange injected himself on putin's behalf and we all started shitting on him for it
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There is with ESS though. This is E_S_S because ESS was taken over by T_D in 2016
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The far right: storied history of anti semitism
The far left: storied history of anti semitism
"It's the moderates who are the real anti semites" 🤔
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The rule No Trumpkins is right there in the sidebar.
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I love how people assume all negative Bernie stuff is ESS. Back when the campaign stuff happened, I posted on the r/politics forums, and I was called an “ESS shill.” I actually hadn’t posted here in a month, and since I had so few posts, I was able to delete them and look like I’d never been here. I even asked, “What’s ESS?” One person described us as a group of brigadiers that will latch on to all anti-Bernie information and try to turn people against him, then a few others said, “Don’t play dumb, you’re obviously from there.” They don’t even check who’s from here now, they mostly just generalize.
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I didn’t even know what ESS was until a Bernie supporter pointed me here.
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They’re there own worst enemy lol. The one guy who did explain it to me, I could tell they were trying not to be biased and just explain what ESS was, but I really wanted to reply, “Hey, that sounds like a sub I’d like!” Lol
I honestly think I found this place because someone posted something about ESS in r/politics back when he announced he was running. I don’t remember though.
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Yeah Bernie supporters hate this sub but they don’t realize that they are the ones pushing most of the traffic here. There are plenty of people who dislike Sanders that don’t know about ESS but the Sanders cult can’t fathom that. Anybody who opposes sanders must be from ESS, so they always bring us up, driving others who dislike Sanders right into our open arms.
It’s just like Satanists and Christians. Satanists don’t become Satanists because someone was like “come join us and be Satanists, It’s great”
Satanists become Satanists because they were like “Enough Christ Spam already.” And if you said that, they’d call you Satanist even if you weren’t one.
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Chickenshit smears from idiots don't fool anyone but themselves.
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But man do they fool themselves
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One of those guys is everywhere on r/politics. He just screams ENLIGHTENED CENTRISM whenever someone disagrees with him.
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Can't remember, is it the dude with the Florida or Texas flair?
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Florida, definitely.
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Yeah that's what I thought. I'm gonna guess he's projecting.
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It gets really bad. I avoid everything he submits.
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He reminds me of Republicans who call criticizing Candace Owens racist. They are so unaware of what racism is that they think being critical of a PoC is racism. That berniebro might not actually understand what antisemitism is.
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Lmao “militant” moderates. How fucking delusional can they be?
Moderates are the only sane ones left I s2g
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Button meme:
Moderate Dems are milquetoast cowards
Moderate Dems are militants
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Moderate Dems are teh Establishmentz
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How does ESS have any cross over with T_D?
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I mean at one point there was some what it was r/enoughsandersspam, but that pretty much stopped when it turned into r/Enough_Sanders_Spam
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E_S_S is explicitly an anti-Trump sub. Any post by a trumpster would be heavily downvoted. Way of the bern however...
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That thread is insane. Straight from the GOP's playbook.
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I run the Mass Tagger extension that flags people who post in sketchy subs. I did decrease my sensitivity to only tag people with ten or more posts/comments. I've literally never seen someone from T_D post in E_S_S.
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WHERE
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Oh no! We have been found out!👀
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lol
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So sad the Bernouts have weaponized anti-semitism and cheapened the idea of what it truly means.
They're literally adopting T_D tactics - accuse people of what you're guilty of. Your candidate is corrupt? - accuse your opponent of being crooked. Your candidate is a pervert? - accuse your opponent of pedophilia.
While criticizing Israel's foreign policy has merits, no one on the Liberal side has made a bigger deal about "Jewish lobby's money in American politics" than Bernie's far-Left. They use Bernie's "Jewish identity" in bad faith as a foil against attacks, and they couldn't care less about the true nature of anti-Hebrew discrimination.
And you know it's bad when they just say "the Israel lobby" or "Israel" as though the whole country, or the global Jewish population it's name represents, agrees with what Netanyahu are doing. I am very careful as a Jew myself, to always say "the Israeli government" and not just "Israel"
And ironically religion is where me and Bernie are closest. Both of us are atheistic Jews. Or at least, I'd bet good money bernie is atheistic because he fits that mold perfectly. Nothing wrong with that, by the way.
The reason I dislike Bernie is because his policies are unrealistic to the point of being divisive and he himself is divisive with his rhetoric.
Does Bernie even make Judaism part of his identity? I’m not sure I’ve ever heard him mention it, or seen him practicing the faith, or...anything really.
Like, that’s not a criticism on its own. You don’t have to be a strict glatt-kosher type or show off your faith publicly. But it kinda undercuts your claim to being a symbol of Jewish identity if that identity doesn’t manifest in some way.
Bernie's style of involvement in radical left-wing politics was a fairly common thing for Ashkenazi Jews in both the old world and the new. Bernie displays some other cultural signifiers that make it difficult to imagine him as anything other than a Jewish guy from Brooklyn.
As a Jew I have to agree. The waters are already too muddy given how much of a bad actor the Israeli government has become.
Possibly unpopular opinion: I think society at large did the same with racism and it's created a lot of issues today.
To most people - and most people are not woke on these issues - racism means basically that you openly hate black people.
Now, to a more woke person racism is this complicated, nuanced thing, and the nuances are so pervasive that almost everyone is racist to some degree.
But, when you accuse a less woke person of racism, all they hear is that you think they hate black people. This puts them immediately on the defensive and forces them further into whatever side they are on.
This is why I don't particularly like saying all trump supporters are racist, even if technically you could say they all are... Because calling them all racist doesn't do anything to change the situation for the better. It might just make things worse as it causes many people who don't feel hate in their hearts, but are subconsciously racist, to retreat further to their side.
Not gonna lie--you had me bruh, in the first half
What do you disagree with in the second half?
At first, I disagreed with not calling them out directly on their racism, but upon reflection, I se your point--it does just make them double down. A counterintuitive strategy like this could work.