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tempgrump

Lil Blue

Cradle

What is the next step for Lil Blue? She is at a point we're at point where a change\advancement needs to happen. At this stage she just hides in the background and heals Lindon and then fades in the background again. What is her next progression?

  • Is she going to merge with Lindon and become another internal spirit?
  • Is she going to morph into become a living drudge?
  • Will she develop an offensive potential where she can protect herself or Lindon?
  • Will she turn into a beautiful woman and join Lindon's Harem?

Posted Aug 19, 2019, 12:09 PM UTC · edited

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memyselfandeyetoo•

I'd go with Lil Blue merging with Blerin also known as Big Red forming a new being known as Medium Purple. Thus becoming Lindon's and Yerin's first love child.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

Well then maybe Big Red and Yerin can have a three way sword fight with Lindon... If you know what I mean wink wink, nod nod

The thought of that is so bad yet so good

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2Fast2Boogooloo•

Get to that fanfic writing.

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QwantorTeam Eithan•

UwU masochism

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Djflopdog•

I wonder what abilities medium purple would have? Little blue can already do spiritual healing, if they merged, maybe the blood aspect would allow some physical healing as well. Though I'm not sure if big red also has a sword aspect or if she just uses Yerin's madra to combine into the bloody endless sword techniques.

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morgf•

I don't know about medium purple, but Deep Purple would undoubtedly be good at acoustics and music.

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admiralzacbar•

Thanks. I hate it.

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gordoncopeHiddenGnomeArmy•

There is the definite possibility that she will become more active in a fighting capacity if this QA from Will isn't just him trolling again...

Kingtape

Who would win: one Orthos-sized Little Blue or 5 Little Blue-sizes Orthoses?

Will Wight

Orthos wins that regardless of size, now that his spirit is stable. He might not win forever, though.

https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/1-cradle/#e474

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watchcryTeam Lindon•

I think if Lindon feeds her soulfire like the one single time Eithan did, that she'll grow and become more defined much like Yerin's bloodshadow. Something will absolutely happen with her to make her combat effective, as the WoW hints at.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

I thought you could only be soulfired once? I know the body gets remade at every level above underlord but not sure that would be same for spirits even then Lindon would have to wait till overlord to add more soulfire to Lil Blue.

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Brainslosh•

i thought she more ate the soulfire

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

When they say ate, it is hard to know how that affects her. Did Dross eat the soulfire from Northstrider or was he just imbibed with it. When Dross ate the dream madra he just adsorbed it in his core, but I do not know enough about soulfire or spirits.

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DrasiusIITeam Lindon•

For people, we know reforging in Soulfire only works once at each stage of advancement. Madra, on the other hand seems to drink in soulfire to become stronger and certain bits in the text imply that adding more soulfire might increase this effect (based on Longhook using all his remaining soulfire to attack Eithan). I think Natural Spirits being made out of living madra a bit like Remnants could probably work either way depending on how Will wants to write it.

You could argue that Dross confirms natural spirits, like humans, can't be re-soulfired but his transformation seemed to create something unique, part construct, part natural spirit but with his own madra system and then being tied into someone else's spirit.

Plus, even if it doesn't re-soulfire her, that doesn't mean there wouldn't be some benefit to it. Maybe she can store it and use it to empower her own abilities somehow. I'd argue it's worth trying out at Underlord and then at Overlord, there would almost certainly be obvious benefits.

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gordoncopeHiddenGnomeArmy•

I have to disagree with this point unfortunately. People can be and are reforged in stronger and stronger soulfire as they progress through the Lord realms and possibly beyond as per this quote from Will:

Questioner

How does aging work as you advance?

Will Wight

For the Lord realm, your body is re-forged in stronger soulfire each time you advance, so your body is made more like it was in your prime. If you were younger than your prime, you would look older, and older people look younger. Then, from there on, you age more slowly. It gets stronger each time you advance, but it only happens when you advance, so basically Jai Daishou's only hope of living significantly longer would have been to hit Overlord. Which he accepted that he couldn't do.

https://www.abidanarchive.com/adv_search/?query=advancing+through+the+Lord+realms

This suggests that Lindon's soulfire at Underlord won't do anything for Lil' Blue, but once he hits Overlord then he can definitely advance her again.

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DrasiusIITeam Lindon•

That's my bad, i meant at each stage. Reforging an Underlord in Underlord Soulfire doesn't work. You are entirely right that stronger Soulfire from the next advancement does reforge. I didn't mean to say otherwise but i'll edit my comment for clarity :)

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erebusloki•

I can see little blue becoming the closest thing to a pure madra remnant, she might merge with Lindon but still have Independence like Dross. This could make clearing his madra channels automatic and also possibly enhance his empty palm and soul cloak

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DrasiusIITeam Lindon•

There was mention of bonding to a Natural Spirit and 'taking one in' as part of your path, at least i think that's how Orthos put it. This always felt like foreshadowing to me.

I'm thinking he could take her into his pure core like he did to Dross before they bonded. Then she should be able to sit in his pure core and use his pure madra to protect him from the blackflame damage directly, hopefully without it draining her too. If you're right about her affecting his attacks? That could be an even bigger advantage.

The alternative seems to be her learning some more advanced stuff herself. Either combat, which seems unnecessary since the rest of the group are all combat oriented and she is the only support role, besides Dross. Plus, she'd be the third one with pure type abilities. So maybe a progression to some kind of more physical healing ability?

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awpz0r•

I like the idea of her in his core but she isn't pure madra, she a mix of water/life and some others. Earlier on its mentioned that they (sylvans) are a mix of a bunch, but later water and life are specified. If she goes in his core I worry about her tainting it, but there might be a work around for that.

What I want to know, is if she counts as a living being. If not, maybe she can go in his soul space? When I think about how the arch stone was in there, hovering above his 2 cores, I could totally see blue there. Same concept as being in his pure core, but without tainting his core with her aspects.

Dross was in his core... so maybe its possible, but he didnt take a permanent spot there. idk, either way I want her to go in the core or soul space.

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JM-SL•

Yes, she counts as a living being.

"Sylvan Riverseeds were natural spirits—beings like Remnants, only born of accumulated vital aura rather than the death of a sacred artist. They only formed in places where the aura was both extremely strong and in perfect balance. If the aura slanted toward one aspect or another, a different natural spirit would form. Typically, you would find that balance of aura in the heart of a forest, next to a spring or a river. In such a place, air and earth, heat and cold, life and death all coexisted at the same point in roughly equal amounts."

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erebusloki•

Since she counts as a living being, Lindon might be able to make a contract with her like he did with Orthos, but this time with his pure core. If he did that he could share his pure madra with her and she could cleanse his channels while using his blackflame core.

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DrasiusIITeam Lindon•

Yeah, the quotes you're referring to seem a bit misleading. They seem to contradict one another so it seems obvious to assume that there is a case of unreliable narrator in there somewhere. I think there was a WoW where Will was asked about it directly and if i remember correctly he said that the one where she is a balance of all is more accurate. I'm basing that purely on memory though, so i could be wrong. In that case she seems to be pure, though pure is also suppsoed to be a uniquely human madra from the balance of life, blood and dream in the human body though so... *shrugs*If i'm right though then i don't think she'd be incompatible with his pure core, especially considering she's been fed on so much pure madra for so long, if there were other aspects in there they would probably be very diluted by now.

The soul space idea could work if he can do that without harming her but there was mention of things in a soul space being absorbed so that might have more complucated consequences. Maybe good or bad depending on the result. If she can't go in his core though she could always just float around in his spirit without going into his actual core. Dross seemed to be able to do that when he wasn't sitting in his pure core. Plus, thinking about it, Dross seemed to be mostly dream madra and he didn't taint Lindon's core so that might not even be an issue.

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[deleted]•

I think you're onto something here. I think as little blue progresses more towards a pure spirit, maybe with the overlord soulfire for example, it's possible that she could become Lindon's pure core bonded spirit like Orthos for Blackflame. Both the empty palm and the soul cloak would be likely be compatible with whatever tiny affinity she would bring.

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MemeTheDeemTheSleem•

There was a lot of foreshadowing in UL about her wanting to fly. And ya know how sacred beasts choose their paths? It may be the same thing. She might grow wings and turn into the next evolution of what a sylvan seed is supposed to be. It is called a river seed for some reason.

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2Fast2Boogooloo•

She will be getting better quality scales from Lindon all the time. His capacity should be growing by leaps and bounds now.

Plus Lindon, being able to make pure scales, can now buy her stuff to enhance her further as needed.

I’d assume her aspect is getting less and less water as she is fed pure.

I don’t think she will talk with speech. But I do think Lindon will start to be able to understand her.

No way on combat. I just can’t see it. Maybe defense? I’ve mentioned elsewhere that Lindon doesn’t have armor / maybe liquid armor?

I doubt she will ever want anything to do with Blerin. I could be wrong.

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BeanOfBirbs•

I always feel so bad for Yerin whenever she tries to talk to Lil Blue. She just wants to make friends :(

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JM-SL•

I would say that the currently stage of Little Blue is Jade or Gold. Now, being Lindon a Underlord and also being able to feed her some of his Soulfire, Little Blue evolution will be fast and great. I'm quite sure that in "Uncrowned" she will say her first words. Plus, I would bet that at last she and Lindon will get bonded to each other and through doing it, they will gain some kind of advantage. Anyway, her true transformation will come when her body get reforged in Soulfire. For that we still have to wait.

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Cowilson42Team Lindon•

Lil blue has been underlord since book three

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JM-SL•

Question

Is lil' blue an underlady (given she ate soulfire)?

Will Wight

She is not! She has not advanced with soulfire, merely been refined by it.

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OtoanSkye•

I hope she doesn't get any offensive capabilities. I hope she grows and is able to talk and maybe gets some new utility abilities that will allow Lindon to think smarter not harder.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

I would be happy with that, as long as it is not clear Lindon's channels than hide in the Void Key. I was just wondering on what opinions on those advancements would be.

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politeasfrack•

Eithan said before he amped her up, among other things, she could be made into a drudge. Assuming in this process she would be willing and retain her personality traits because we are all attached to lil Blue, and neither Will or Lindon are monsters. My first thought after dross took a plunge into the library was well Lindon doesn't need a drudge any longer. That isn't entirely the case. There's 2 things that we have seen Fisher Gesha's spider drudge do that dross can't. 1. Have a strong phisical presence. This allows a few things that I just never see dross doing like quickly dismantling remnants, helping with her movements. 2. Using its own senses to taste the madra. Dross has to use Lindon's senses. This has implications that I won't go into because this is already longer than I had planned and I haven't even got to the fun part. What I think is our boy needs a drudge if he's going to be an efficient and successful Soulsmith. And because dude always is punching up it would need to be as useful in a fight as in soulsmithing. I see it as a fun possiblity for yerrin to have a blood shadow of destruction, and Lindon to have the smaller water shadow of healing balance. I also think she will stay the metaphorical Mascot of his pure core while Orthos is the one for the BF core. Ideally lil blue will grow to be at least 3 ft tall and will excel in the typical drudge Soulsmith tasks, but specialize in being somewhat of a battlefield madra medic that can also keep constructs running. Lil Blue The Battle Drudge come on!

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kcludlowTeam Eithan•

I believe she will be developed/advanced further but will be killed or mortally wounded to force Lindon to incorporate her into his spirit/core. Perhaps she may be the key to using both cores at once. Sure, Lindon can't use both at once, but what if he uses the black flame core while LB uses the other?

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

Her death is highly unpopular but it is a likely scenario, many authors kill off popular characters when they are not longer useful to the main story. When we're talking Cradle that death would be a transformation more than a discontinuing of the character.

I do not see her as the tool that allows both cores to work together, not enough foreshadowing pointing at that. I do see her becoming a counterpart to Gesha's Spider Drudge and becoming Lindon's fairy drudge giving him the ability to fly and giving him the drudge he always wanted\needed.

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SociaIyAwesomeTurtIe•

Dross is his drudge tho? Pretty sure.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

Will spoke about that once and said Dross is not a drudge.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

https://www.abidanarchive.com/events/1/#e440

Questioner

Is Dross a Drudge? Like an advanced one? Or is a Drudge something else entirely?

Will Wight

A drudge is something else. He’ll build one.

Cradle (Jan. 2, 2018)

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InternetReader_•

She'll probably become the hamster to Lindon's wheel.

[Heaven and Earth Purification Wheel]

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SlimReaper85•

Maybe Lil Blue will first evolve into a separate entity that can fight next Lindon. Kinda like Yerin's Bloodshadow. But with a totally happy personality! lol And with a totally different "path". Pure/Water/Life Path. She will be able to attack separately and heal Lindon if necessary. Then when she's done she will be absorbed back into his body. She will be able to attack with Empty Palms and like maybe even adjust her body to enhance her attacks. This will allow Lindon to attack with Blackflame at the same time. And Dross to cast illusions and download info as the fight progresses. Lindon will be a literal army.

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Soulfire47•

Little Blue will develop clear speech in Uncrowned. I have always been sorry that Lindon did not develop some of his families illusion paths. As Lil Blue was able to counteract the Seishens dream madra, perhaps as she grows she will be able to cast illusion. Wouldn't it be great, if she could make the opponent see two Lindon's and not know which was the real one.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

I Liked how Lindon has progressed in the Yin-Yang aspect of his path and the complete ostracization from every path was a great way to grow the character from nothing.

Foreshadowing leads me to believe that she will talk and fly in Uncrowned. Every other spirit\remnant can talk once it reaches a specific level so I imagine she will talk soon, just hoping for something more out of her. I don't see her developing any dream or light path.

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QwantorTeam Eithan•

I’m afraid the last option is the most likely. Look at my latest post for extra details

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