Australia will now headhunt tech talent for permanent residency
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itnews.com.auPosted Aug 22, 2019, 11:54 PM UTC
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itnews.com.auhypocrisy. first they say get a degree. then they make those useless. then they import cheaper labor and don't bother with the people who are already here. too hard. and the people they import are too docile and stupid to know they're getting low balled. so then the way workers get treated is degraded and everybody loses because "this is normal and acceptable" even though it all reeks.
nobody whose in management wants anyone beneath them in IT to have a career, they want underlings and nothing more. no promotions. no wage rise. no holidays if we can engineer a situation where they depend on one employee so much that they cant reasonably take a day off.
Tired of this fucking globalist money cult worker suppression bullshit.
It was never about immigrants and racism with lots of people around this country, it was about immigrants being used in cynical power and disenfranchisement games with the citizenry by twisted evil fucks in industry and govt. It's too bad most of them are too fucking stupid to realize that all major political parties are on this one, they all have this bullshit as policy, 2PP will keep this regime going until the end of time if they can.
The worst thing is that it's marketed and packaged as being "woke" and "socially conscious" and so on and so forth by the media, so now you have weaponised political extremists amongst the population acting as defacto enforcers for the elites whilst thinking they're changing the world. When in reality they're akin to SS or Hitler Youth, regardless of whether they're left or right wing. I've seen violence on both sides and I'm sick of it.
People just need to get together regardless of alignment and give the elites and the liars a good arsekicking, an arsekicking that's been slowly building for 30-50 years and generally seems to occur every 300-400 years on average. It's how it's always been when things go too far.
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Yeah, but like, you're asking for too much money and watchamacallem, "rights"? Nah, too expensive. I mean my business would still be profitable, nice bonus for me y'know, but I just want a bit more is that too much to ask? So I'll be voting LNP to make sure your entitlement doesn't ruin my business. Also we're going offshore and I need to use my Cayman Island accounts.
big fucking /s
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WTF were we doing before? Oh that's right, shoving any warm bodied person into the country to juice GDP.
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this gov would find husks that just stand there like zombies and would say they are for gdp
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We got plenty of fucking talent here, utilize it.
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But to do that you need to pay them what they're worth (market rates).
Most "skills shortages" simply don't exist, the "shortage" is down to employers not wanting to pay for them (i.e. nobody will take these jobs for what I want to pay them, therefore there is a shortage.
It's a bullshit argument.
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Exactly. This is why there is no wage growth.
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It's strange how they only believe in free market when prices for products go up but when wages are rising due to market demand for that skill set they cry to the Government to intervene
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That's because our overpaid business leaders are largely completely rubbish at business innovation and investment, and much better at lobbying the government to turn us into a third world economy.
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Any actual "talent" wouldn't come to Australia - the government's forced backdoor bill will see to that.
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Instead of head hunting we should maybe provide incentive for people to come or stay here for high tech entrepreneurship. In other words invest heavily into research and development, similar to the Israeli model (which was very successful by the way). This will stop the current brain drain to Silicon Valley and facilitate a thriving industry.
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As an Australian, I'm appalled that you'd even suggest recreating successful foreign policies. We need to recreate failed policies, like privitising monopolised public assets, socialising risk for private companies by crazy tax incentives and flat out ignoring industry experts on things like intellectual property.
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Meanwhile top aussie IT talent moving to the US and Europe in droves due to over conservative management and VC practices.
Typical really. I once went for a high end job where I was overly qualified - a world leader in the field, but was told outright by the recruiter that I would probably not get an interview because I am Australian. I didn't.
It's like how shows like the Logies, and the various talent shows always have to have some B grade American star on there because that somehow legitimises them.
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this is a good kick in the pants for the australian computer society & the australian information industry association.
those people couldn't rate talent if it smacked them in the face with a multi million dollar company.
bill gates himself would be rejected for a visa if he applied for a software job here because he only has a high school qual & zero industry certification & nearly all his work experience is in management.
if your talent rating system fails such an obvious example it's not worth the smoke you're blowing up your own ass
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Let's see how much international tech talent is ready to move to Australia with the draconian technology laws being passed left right and center.
This brain drain is just getting started.
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They are just moving tech support on shore, closer to the customers.
I have yet to see any aussie IT guy support in my company, literally anyone who I spoke with about IT issues was a foreigner.
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lol
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Because training your own employees is clearly a thing of the past.
True, particularly of government departments.
There used to be a federal public service classification of ITO1 and ITO2 (IT Officer level 1 and 2). These positions had a higher paypoint than EL1 and EL2 (Executive Level 1 and 2) recognising you had to pay market rates for permanent public service IT employees to be competitive with the private sector). These positions were done away with decades ago (but still remain for legal and other specialists).
Some departments employ permanent IT staff on lesser wages (EL1 level) and fill remaining positions with contractors. Other departments outsource everything and rely entirely on contracted staff. Contractors and outsourcing costs a sh*tload more, and when contracts aren't renewed, critical business knowledge walks out the door.
It's not due to a shortage of tech talent, it's a "shortage" of tech talent at the price you are prepared to pay. If you are prepared to pay technical staff market rates, there is no shortage.
Before coming to Aus I worked for an international company with offices in Sydney. Despite paying a decent amount over industry basic we had difficulty recruiting Aussies, and the few we did get would often take the training (Aussie graduates are horribly under prepared for international level IT work) and then start applying for visas once they hit six months and piss off to the UK or US.
I work for a regional state government now and we cannot fill positions at all. We just don't have the budget to compete with private companies for IT staff and we can't afford to train the quantities of people we need.
Because we don't learn anything at university.
After graduating with an IT degree from a top Aussie university, I had the same level of knowledge I did when I graduated high school. I learned more doing IT at high school 3 hours a week for 2 years than I did 3 years full time in a university.
Professors are either lifelong academics or haven't worked in the industry for 20-30 years. A lot of them found the teaching part of the job a necessary inconvenience. Professors aren't teachers, they're researchers and it shows.
I remember some professors supposed to be teaching 'AI Programming' that had no programming experience and always needed student assistance to operate a computer for basic things.
Couple that with most professors not being from Australia and can barely speak English and you get people graduating learning nothing.