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Prygon

Audiophile arrogance

Has anyone else noticed the arrogance of audiophiles? Pretty often you will see someone happy with their cheaper setup and it's always someone else telling them that they upgraded to something else, suggesting that their way is much better. It's almost like they're trying to justify the price of their setup to themselves. I had originally wrote this post because of my own actions, I de-foamed my IEM thinking that it would sound better because I knew better than samsung/sony/sennheiser and I could jailbreak/unlock the "secret" sound that it was dampening, although you'd never see me soldering a resistor or trying different cables to a scarlet 2i2. This interest shows that sound matters to a lot of people but in different ways: but arrogance is a primary factor in many of the people interested.

Posted Aug 24, 2019, 11:01 AM UTC

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radimere•

That’s true of most hobbies, niche or otherwise, especially those broadcast in communities such as these. Debates revolve around confirmation bias, post-purchase rationalization and FOMO.

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Precisely, this has nothing to do with audiophilia. It's just how many people function.

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Yep, came here to say this. I’m pretty active with the cycling community and used to be more so in the watch community. It’s exactly the same there. At day’s end, enjoy what you enjoy.

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docbak•

I’m not saying there aren’t valid preferences. I’m talking about 105 vs Dura Ace, Shimano vs Campy, etc. I also see a lot of downplaying achievements.

In fact, the only community I’ve ever been involved in that didn’t have much in the way of elitism is mountain biking.

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radimere•

Photography forums/subs can be just as nitpicky; guitar, as elitist; bodybuilding, pseudoscience-driven.

The amount and vehemence of subjective argumentation is directly proportional to income and inversely proportional to the hobby’s being mainstream.

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radimere•

Photography has endless discussions about the quality of out-of-focus areas (bokeh) and microcontrast, guitar forums have heated debates over paper-in-oil low-pass capacitors and star grounding, bodybuilding has wars over PWO anabolic windows and creatine formulations.

The deeper you go into subcultures, the more detailed the arguments get. I’m sure coffee aficionados and horology connoisseurs are equally fastidious about their passions.

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covertashLCD-500 | SR-L300 | SR-207 | HD800 | Elear | HD6XX•

Interestingly, arrogance can manifest in different ways.

An example being some who lack experience, and don't have the context to form their own opinions; yet they echo the opinions of others, and stand shielded behind measurements that they themselves don't even fully understand.

Don't get me wrong, measurements (and any objectively-based information) are great tools to have, but they should never fully supplant personal experience - and certainly should not suppress curiosity. Otherwise, that's just being arrogant. ;)

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covertashLCD-500 | SR-L300 | SR-207 | HD800 | Elear | HD6XX•

Personal experience is hard to measure and can be different for others such as clamping power.

Absolutely agreed.

Other factors as well - including, ear shape and anatomy, hearing loss, frequency sensitivities (and in-sensitivities), music preferences, the mastering of the exact music, and probably a whole host of other factors - all point down the same path: listen with your own ears and then make up your own mind.

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covertashLCD-500 | SR-L300 | SR-207 | HD800 | Elear | HD6XX•

Agreed. Although, I think it does go both ways too. I have seen quite a fair share of threads and comments, dealing with expensive equipment, being unnecessarily ridiculed and shamed as well.

It's a little sad to say, but I always rediscover my "audiophile happy place" whenever I take extended breaks from the overall community.

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eLicky•

More expensive generally means better, you've heard the saying 'you get what you pay for', I think a percentage of that is what you're talking about but this doesn't really apply to audio because its so preference related.

If I told a HD800s owner I overall prefer my DT990 (which is true) they won't believe me, it doesn't add up with society and how product purchases work because HD800s is more expensive = better.

I own both HD800s and DT990.

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SvstemSystematic Sound•

This study only explores relationships between FR and price - there's so much more to sound than FR.

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SvstemSystematic Sound•

Are you claiming that EQing, say a Superlux HD668b to reproduce the FR of a HiFiMAN Susvara will make them sound identical?

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Brbi2kCROLG G7 ThinQ|Tin HiFi T2|Swing IE800|AuGlamour F300|Qian69•

Well... I've heard Sundaras and I prefer my Tin T2 in some aspects. Sundara dips on some very important places. And I somewhat like resonance peaks over 8kHz for most music. T2 peaks at 10k, and that is what makes it sound fun with EDM despite lacking bass.

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eLicky•

I like HD800s, its a very good headphone, no denying that. Just I like brighter sound signatures, higher levels of clarity and engagement, DT990 offers that even though I'm aware its weaker in some areas.

When you listen to two headphones priced so differently and manage a wider soundstage from the cheaper one with your current dac/amp, it does raise questions.

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