Posted Aug 29, 2019, 2:14 AM UTC
Hey SPD vice squad, when are you going to bust the pimps that hang out at the Mandarin Gate and the bus stop just north of 100th & Aurora? They’re a fucking plague on the area.
Hopefully this can empower trafficked women to escape their abusers! Pimps are truly devil incarnate and it is so enraging that they’re still able to operate in 2019.
Legalize, regulate. Better for everyone involved - much easier to catch the traffickers that remain but most are put straight out of business by the sunlight of legality. The claims that "legalization increases trafficking" have been shown to be bullshit repeatedly, but people still repeat them.
There are still people who think more kids are smoking weed now that it's legal despite all the evidence to the contrary. Some people hear something they agree with and just latch on for life.
We see this work in other countries. Can't imagine why the US still thinks it is possible to arrest the problem away.
Because half of Americans are undiagnosed retards.
Pimps are chosen alot of the times. You'd be suprised how many prostitutes chose rather than are coerced into having a pimp.
But, but, they're paying the mortgages of several SPD commanders...
As soon as the pimp doesn't have their money.
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Uh, I'm not a cop. Feel free to peruse my search post history and you'll see I'm a pizza delivery and Uber driver.
Sorry was drunk and read your comment too fast
Now this is what Reddit is all about. Keep causing chaos, soldier
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Why is the sex trade illegal again? Where are those ‘small government’ conservatives when you need them..
Quite a bit of the Libertarian left and right are “there when you need them”.
Because east coast moralizing prudish women couldn't imagine that other women would do sex work willingly, and this has been sustained with exaggerated claims about trafficking, outright made up bullshit ("legalization increase trafficking" ... no that's been debunked repeatedly), and the moral crusaders bribing prosecutors offices to go after it.
Legalize and regulate and it's way easier to catch traffickers.
Because they don't want their husbands to get any strange poontang on the side. Remember how prohibition started?
What the fuck does that even mean
A small step. A big step would be to decriminalize the work itself. Hey government: get the fuck out of the bedrooms of consenting adults.
Decriminalize the work and the demand.
Thank you to the Coalition for the Rights and Safety of People in the Sex Trade (www.rightsandsafety.org) They spearheaded this legislation and are working towards putting policies in place that help keep vulnerable sex workers safer and removing policies that create opportunities for harm. I was part of the originating group and I LOVE the work they're doing. They can always use donations and support. They can also point people towards info written by sex workers about what we need to operate safely and discreetly.
Thanks, OP, for posting.
If you trust the cops to not lie about how they got their evidence.
"Oh we were already surveilling the subject prior to her approach for assistance."
"in some circumstances....."
The "in some circumstances" part is interesting word choice...
Pro: You can report a crime. Con: It will get treated like the rest of Seattle crime.
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Those figures came from other countries where they have decriminalized or legalized sex work. Not from the U.S.
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Go get some sleep and maybe some vitamin D also. I truly hope you can find peace and love in your life before you die.
I have that actually
Lol
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I couldn't imagine being such a bootlicker
I hate the police and government.
Wow you absolutely fit the black pilled/incel archetype to a T
Except for I’m beloved by normal and desirable women
Care to explain why it’s so evil?
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I would argue degenerate is along the same lines as evil, (synonyms for degenerate include corrupt, impure, not to mention degenerate is a synonym for evil). Still, the original question stands, why is it any of those things? It just seems unnecessarily judgmental.
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Why are we decriminalizing one side of the sex trade but continue to prosecute and shame men who are just trying to get laid? Regulating the sex trade and bringing it out of the shadows would end the associated human trafficking. Nobody buys weed at the park anymore because they have safer options. We could even tax it to raise money for the homeless or domestic violence assistance programs or whatever. Sex between consenting adults is not a crime, I thought that’s something we all agreed on a long time ago...
Last year I read a book called “Letters to the Happy Hooker” which is an collection of responses to a sex worker’s memoir (titled “The Happy Hooker”). This book was written in I think ‘73 and is filled with a lot of people telling her how they hope sex work is legalized in the future (she also includes letters from people condemning her, people who want to meet her, the whole range). It is amazing that 45+ years later, absolutely nothing has changed. Sex work has happened forever and will happen forever, but as it stands here in the US, people are often not able to do it safely and frequently get raped, robbed, or killed. While this move is FAR from where we should be, I’m super proud of our lawmakers for making moves to help protect people that are gunna be doing this shit anyways!
Bonus fun fact: capuchin monkeys were taught to exchange tokens for various food items (in a study on economics in animals). Two were later observed exchanging a token for sex!
45 years! I know change comes slow in politics. But this is next level. :) Which state was she in? Did the book had any cultural or societal impact? (Am curious and going to Google now)
She worked in Manhattan, first as a sex worker then as a madam. She was deported back to her home country of the Netherlands before she wrote the book. I don’t remember if she continued her career there or not.
As to the impact—I’m not sure as I happened to find the book in Twice Sold Tales, never having heard of it or her before. The book was apparently a huge hit but it doesn’t have a very big presence online, and other sex workers and people who were alive at that time who I’ve asked hadn’t heard of it either.
It’s a quick read, and super fascinating to see how different things were, and how absolutely the same they are still. If you do read it, let me know what you think!
So, she stayed in business as madam. Interesting. Why was she deported back? Oh ok.
Sure. Definitely adding it to my reading list. Did you get to read the original memoir as well? I read memoirs a lot. So, I would like to read that as well. Will check if I can find a copy in SPL.
This is the second time I am hearing something about 'Twice Sold Tales' place. Lol! Yeah, this is a nice find. :) You could start a thread on r/books about this. Maybe you get to listen from more people who have read this one. :)
Large majority of raids in the area are simply massage parlor giving hand jobs for tips. I know two personally (50+ year old Chinese women) who co-owned their shop and were the only two who worked there. Three years ago they were raided and jailed for promoting prostitution and sex trafficking including one of the owner's 19 year old son who had nothing to do with the business was simply attending a local college. Sheriffs office released their statement to the media about how they brought down a criminal sex traffic ring and freed sex slaves. I kept in contact with one as she processed through the court system. She lost everything, her business, equipment, money, even her shitty little beat-up car. Today both now own a new shop under a new name and location. Only difference is they don't give hand jobs anymore. SMH.
Remember a few years ago when they "busted a huge human trafficking ring in bellevue" and that one dude who ran one of the boards sex workers used to vet their clients for safety was shut down?
and all the women skipped town, refusing to cooperate with the investigation and were working in atlanta the next day?
pepperidge farm remembers.
Just because someone is a foreign national doesn't mean they're trafficked, despite cops wanting to define trafficked as "anyone who crosses a border, even willingly"
If this is the one i'm thinking of, a lot of the foreign women were from Korea. Many times, women will do this kind of work in other countries because the chance of them being recognized is almost nil and they can return home with their social reputation safely intact. Definitely doesn't necessarily correspond to trafficking and organized crime just because they're coming over the ocean.
This may be the funnnest fact I've ever read. Thanks!
Similiar to marijuana, no one wants their name associated with being the politician that made the sex trade legal. Too easy to lose the next election since people with outdated values are more likely to vote.
They're not decriminalizing anything. They're just making it so other crimes stop going unreported.
You should do some research on the city attorneys prostitution strategy. They are focused on the demand and view the supply side as victims (which may be the case without regulation) so yeah, they are making half the transaction legal. Like allowing pot shops and busting people for possession.
By allowing the supply and criminalizing the demand, they have a continuous source of income.
By and large around seattle... it's not.
"would end the associated human trafficking"
does it though?
Yes, a lot of bunk bullshit from anti-prostitution "moralizing" places like to claim otherwise but yeah. trafficking and sex work are really separate things - some people are trafficked to be forced sex workers, some are trafficked to be forced farm workers, etc. Legalization = can focus law enforcement resources on trafficking and stop chasing consenting individuals.
Legal and safe works for me. It is the world’s oldest profession after all.
Because of religious people would be my guess.
I have spoken to couple of them. Dating apps can open up such unexpected conversations as well. Anyways, they said that even if the cops get to know something shady happens, most often than not, the cops just inform the apartment or the location that such shady business is happening unless it's like a pump run racket. They apparently consider these people as sex victims and they don't bother them otherwise.
But I understand. Consensual sex should just be just that. There is nothing to shame there when there are much worse problems being done under the curtains.
Well I think because the way the system is right now men who are "just trying to get laid" are more likely than not participating in the trafficking of women and children. A lot of these women and young boys are being trafficked as children and teens and aging into it. I dont know how or where you could ethically participate in the sex trade the way it is now especially in the Seattle area. I agree that the sex trade should be decriminalized on both ends and be up to CONSENTING ADULTS. But an adult who has been trafficked since they were a child and held captive in a cycle of drug abuse and violence cannot be asked to consent to the continuation of the cycle.
the vast majority of sex workers in the seattle area are willing
I disagree. But there is a difference between the escort services and the trafficking of people. If you have any evidence or sources that could explain your position I would like to know. From my experience and those I have known, I have not come across many who are as you say "willing" even those I have known who choose the escort profession have had to make that choice because of drug addiction. Although I know there are many people who choose to be escorts who are not addicted to drugs and make the choice for whatever legitimate reasons I just doubt it is the vast majority of the sex work that happens in seattle.
Reality doesn't care if you disagree, it remains reality.
You're perpetuating myths that keep the moralizing puritansin power over the law. Less than 15% of providers are the people you've just described - knock it off.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/27/lies-damned-lies-and-sex-work-statistics/
From what I heard, apparently a specific form fo decriminalization is the preferred outcome for a lot of sex workers compared to full legalization. I don't know the exact details but it all seems very specific with what they ideally want.
A form of decriminalization that doesn't also criminalize the buyer as is the case in the "nordic model"
Sounds like they dont want to pay taxes on their labor, which I get.
You still have to pay taxes in illegal industries, and you can’t deduct operating expenses, so the taxes are much higher
You mean sales tax, sure. Dont we all.
But no fed income tax, SSI, Medicare.