Sharing Some Detailed Points That's Worked for Me [M26] Over the Years

To preface, I'm someone who's never really had any issues finding a partner or getting a date. I just thought I would share some of my lessons and experiences to hopefully be helpful to someone out there, and receive some critique. My tips will be directed mostly to men and are only applicable if you're looking for a serious relationship, because that's what I have experience in.

  • Never directly ask a women on a date, I genuinely believe that dates are for couples only. Always ask them to just hangout, and get to know them through thoughtful conversation. Asking a woman on a date directly is just shooting yourself in the foot. Women, in my experience, are extremely wary of danger, so they are extremely careful of commitment when it comes to dating someone they aren't familiar with. Asking a woman to hangout vs going on a date is drastically different in terms of the level of commitment, but practically speaking, they're essentially the same thing (a typical male perspective).

  • Be as platonic as possible when you do hangout with women, but also be as thoughtful as you can. Essentially, try to remember small details of them, and show that you remember them without telling them directly. For example, let's say a woman you're interested in likes mochas, bring her one the next time you meet, but don't do it every time, because that's not what a platonic friend does. There is no such thing as taking too long to confess and therefore got "friendzoned". This has never been an issue for me because people want to be friends first before they get into a relationship. I think this is just an excuse for her not being attracted to you in the first place.

  • A trick I used to always use when I'm nervous or don't know what to do/say is ask myself "what would a normal person do in this situation?" You can use this to help yourself remain platonic before you confess your feelings.

  • When you feel ready to confess your feelings to her (I would say after at least 3 hangouts), do it in a way that gives her the most amount of space, this may include but are not limited to: text rather than in-person, wording of your confession, etc. The reason why you want to text your confession is because this will let her react genuinely without your presence, aka it let's her react negatively without feeling bad. In terms of wording, here's a paraphrased version of what I said to my current gf before we got together (send this in single sentence texts btw, I can't format it properly on reddit):

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that it's been so fun for me to hangout with you for the past couple of weeks. I find myself growing more and more interested in who you are as a person due to your values, morals and character (this lets her know that you like her personality instead of just her looks). I find myself relating to most of the things you say (this lets her know that you are your own person with your own opinions, and not just a follower). Would you be interested in pursuing something more than friends (the wording of this line is EXTREMELY important because you don't want to come off as intimidating so I chose to be a bit vague. Women are often afraid a man will react badly and hurt them)? You don't have to answer right away. I don't mind waiting what so ever (even though you do. The suspense sometimes kills me. You can even add some comedy into this and say "especially if you're going to reject me!" and if she asks why, tell her it's because it will seem like she at least considered it).

  • From my experience, women love a man who's alpha, but I think most of society mistakens what being an alpha is. Most people think being an alpha means you're a confident asshole, but this is just not true to what they mean in nature at all. If you research alphas in nature, they make most of the decisions for the pack, but they're also the most compassionate member of the pack; they have to be constantly considering the feelings of their pack. To put it simply, women love the sense of security, meaning they want to feel safe with you both physically and in life.

  • Lastly and one of the most important points, take care of yourself. Dress to the best of your ability, take care of you hair, take care of your facial skin, exercise and eat healthy. This not only increases your chances with girls, but you'll also feel more confident.

In conclusion, be as least intimidating as possible and be especially mindful of your choice of wording and the vibe you give off.

Posted Sep 6, 2019, 6:25 PM UTC · edited

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HedgeRunner•

Great write-up. But guess it's just not me.

I'm the kinda guy who's direct "Hey, I think you're intelligent, can I take you out on a date?". I tend to be the "solver" instead of the gentlemen. Need X fixed? K, on it. And I expect her to do the same.

I do think for most people your approach is correct. You gotta tiptoe here and there cuz everyone's a deer. As soon as there is noise, gone. :D

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TeaTreeTeachOP•

Thank you for the silver! It's my first time receiving anything on Reddit!

In terms of being direct, how does that usually work out for you?

For me personally, I choose to be very platonic first because I want to see how they treat me platonically first (I don't usually meet the women I date online); I think it's a really good judge of character in addition to not coming off as intimidating.

In terms of being a "solver", I think this is actually one of the most common traits of men and I think it's a great trait to have. A word of caution though, this can often cause problems in communication, because often times, women want to vent to someone they're close to to empathize, while men perceive this as her asking for help for a problem. There's often a miscommunication pf interest in these cases which can cause frustration for both parties.

You gotta tiptoe here and there cuz everyone's a deer. As soon as there is noise, gone. :D

I fully agree.

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HedgeRunner•

Re: Solver. Yep you are very right on the warning. Empathy is not about solutioning, it's about being there and feeling how powerless we are in the face of adversity.

Re: direct. It's a hit and miss but I am too busy (cliche here but I really am) to play the dating number game, online or offline. So when I do like someone, it's usually someone I already know for a bit so I guess the platonic stage was already done. When it is someone I don't know or haven't hung out too much, I'm so aggressive asking for coffees that its just obvious I'm hitting on them. I probably missed a few good dates with this tactic but after 30 you kinda just don't have time to play around you know? Plus it's just a coffee and conversation and if they are too afraid to even do that to give dating a try, then most of the time they are just not bold enough for me. (Bold begets bold, I guess) On the date, I also ask tons of exploratory questions to gauge values. Again, overly aggressive and not recommended for 22 year old but there's an art to it. I don't go and say "HEY, GIMME your 5 year career plan NOW". :D

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Jotun35•

I agree. OP's advice are valid for 20-something but will come off as meek for a 30-something.

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TeaTreeTeachOP•

You shouldn't look at these points as "If I do x, y and z, then I will be able to succeed", rather I think these points will only increase your chances of success. To put this in a practical sense, if I first meet a girl, I would imagine that if I confessed right away (not that I would want to), my chances of success would be 0% even if I'm considered above average in looks.

There are so many factors as to why you might not be having success even though you're doing all of the right things. Here are some of the factors I consider important in order:

  • Looks
  • Hygiene
  • Career prospects/are you independent?
  • Convenience (i.e long vs distance)
  • Personality
  • Life (do you have your own interests etc.)
  • Values
  • Morales
  • Vibe
  • Communication skills
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[deleted]•

Well that's the problem. Everything else on the list can be learned and improved (I know this to be true from my own experience), but you can't polish a turd and if you're ugly none of it's gonna matter.

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allthewonder•

Doesn't matter if you think you're ugly. So long as you dress well and are as healthy as is possible for you, you're going to look good.

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Jotun35•

The last point should be the first point. It is truly the most important one.

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otterlyclueless•

I have always had more success getting a date being up front and blunt about it being a date. Not saying anything bad about your post, I saved it to reread later, just that it can work either way.

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TeaTreeTeachOP•

Thinking about my post and rereading it, I think I mainly focused on how it improves my chances rather than why I use it.

I like to be platonic friends with girls I'm interested in first because I want to find out what their true personality looks like. In my opinion, people wear masks in front of people they're seeing/dating. We're always trying to be the best version of ourselves and it's not realistic.

After learning about certain things like their values, morals, plan for the near future, etc, if I'm still interested, then I will confess my feelings and go on real dates.

I'm very selective of who I date, so I use the first point to mainly get to know the person.

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otterlyclueless•

I have a hard time asking out any girl I have not known for a while. Gotta be friends first, too.

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TeaTreeTeachOP•

To your first sentence, just remember that everyone is afraid of being judged including the girls you're interested in.

Secondly, it's good to hear that others have the same mentality. I sometimes feel like I have two types of male friends, forever virgins and players. I remember when I first told my player friends that I go for walks with my female friends just to talk, they all said "I didn't know you were player!" As if it was impossible that I had platonic female friends.

Also, when I say friends I mean someone who I actively keep up with, and not just an acquaintance I met a few times.

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otterlyclueless•

I actually do that, too. Walks are wonderful for talking.

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Dragon_Cat_•

Does this work with guys?

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TeaTreeTeachOP•

I've never tried since I'm a guy and I'm straight lol

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Dragon_Cat_•

Would it work on you if a girl tried this on you?

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TeaTreeTeachOP•

It honestly really depends on the girl, I'm very selective of who I date because I only go for very serious relationships, so generally if I was interested in a girl I would've already chased her.

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Dragon_Cat_•

Don’t you think this might not work on all women as well, since we are all very different? I think since all men are different enough for this to maybe not work on them, don’t you think it might not work on all women as well? Generalizing women like this won’t help others get a date. There should maybe be some kind of disclaimer here.

Like for example, you said to make a few hangouts and then ‘confess your feelings’. I, as a women, would personally like to know if it’s a date up front rather than this confess your feelings after hanging out for a bit stuff.

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