[Discussion] "It's Easier to Destroy Something Someone Else Built than to Build Something New"

DISCUSSION

I think cancel culture, is akin to the above quote a business associate/mentor once told me. If you notice, the pattern of censorship, cancellations, and the general "change this piece of art based on my beliefs" mentality results from it being much easier to destroy something than to build something new.

Take ZQ for example. Look at her credits and ask yourself, "what has this person actually built or contributed to building?"

Now ask "what institutions, people, businesses, has this person contributed in destroying?"

This is the crux of the culture war in my opinion, is people who are in outrage find it easier to riot and burn things down rather than come up with a true solution, or solve a problem effectively by building something and dedicating focus and resources to that thing.

Let's take another example, Daryl Davis has spent most of his life combatting racism through kindness. He deradicalizes people by basically asking them "Why do you hate me because I'm black?" opening up a dialog and being persistent in building a relationship to where the other party can see "my views are probably wrong because this guy has been very kind, so I'm going to attempt to change my ways." And he has the proof to show this method works.

On the other hand, most on Twitter would have you believe the only option for dealing with racists is punching them in the face.

The pattern becomes more clear. One would rather build, the other destroy.

So I'll leave it at this, I read some really good advice when it comes to cancel culture:

"If you are not sure you are doing the right thing, ask a simple question: am I building something? Whether it be a structure, an institution, or simply a positive idea, proposal, or method."

Posted Sep 14, 2019, 1:06 PM UTC

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Scottgun00•

"If you are not sure you are doing the right thing, ask a simple question: am I building something? Whether it be a structure, an institution, or simply a positive idea, proposal, or method."

In the warped minds of cancel culture enthusiasts they are building something: Utopia. But according to them an oppressive Establishment supported by deplorable sub-humans stands in the way of their beautiful vision. So guess what? Gotta destroy absolutely everything (and anyone arbitrarily deemed impure) first whether it's fair or foul or whether anyone wants it or not. You might as well try to persuade the Terminator not to kill Sarah Conner.

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Cosmic_Mind89•

Or convincing studios there should have been only one Highlander movie

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Scottgun00•

Hah! I had almost scrubbed those stinkers from my memory. Thanks for dredging them up again. In fairness, I watched the original with my son recently. That flick did not age well. Clancy Brown is a hoot, but that's about it. Dat Queen soundtrack? P U-eee!

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jellegaard•

What is this heresy? Dat Queen soundtrack was and is awesome!

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arathorn3•

The third one is a guilty pleasure as Mario Van Peebles really hams it up as the villain. There is a scene where he eats a condom

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incardinate•

This is Marxism and its offshoot cultural Marxism in a nutshell. It's not surprising that ideologies that sprung from them act in similar manners. They have a vision and for that vision to be enacted, they need to tear everything down.

When the proletariat didn't rise up and overthrow the bourgeoisie as the Marxists predicted when war broke out, they had to look elsewhere for their theories of why and how. This is why Critical Theory was devised, tear down the central backbones of a western society: family and faith, so as to tear down the people that make the 'oppressive' culture.

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CountVonVague•

Just how big and bad do you think the resulting backlash will end up being when their subversive plot finds itself again up pooper creek without a paddle?

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DestroyedArkana•

I don't think it's feasibly possible now, at least not soon or without some huge upheaval. You would need to convince the majority of people that what's being taught in Universities is not only worthless, it's actually harming society. Either that or the business owners and people with power in the government need to be willing to let people know that, since what's on mainstream media is heavily controlled.

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CountVonVague•

Oh i'm talking about when it gets so bad that normal people are forced to notice because the cultural cracks are too wide to not get tripped up over. Only once the "convincing" stage has been reached by the solid manifestation of unignorable problems will the change Begin to happen ( so 5 to 15 years ) because then nobody will Need convincing by trusted figures.

THEN you get the backlash, when the junkie realizes that all the cocaine is Gone gone.

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incardinate•

They control banking, financial, tech, media, and government through the Western world. In the US we are looking at a one party rule in 2024 when Texas flips blue. As a Christian, I believe their downfall is inevitable, but short of divine intervention, what do you think can be done?

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wtfbomb153•

short of divine intervention, what do you think can be done?

Sub-divine intervention?

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Keisuke_Takahiro•

I think one of the more important things we forget to discuss is how western society came to be infiltrated by such ideology. Discussing this not only gives us a better understanding of the issue, but also paints a clearer whole picture which outsiders can more easily accept.

So my question to you: How do you think this all got started?

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incardinate•

The question is where to start in a very complicated history.

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bakahakka•

As an (sic) old-school more-left-leaning-much I must object and tell you that all of the cancel culture BS and SocJus abomination in general has NOTHING to do with Marxism except red flags (just like USSR lol). All of these identity politics and stuff cause NOTHING but alienation and division amidst the working class. Instead of standing up against powerful lobbies of big business in the governments and the impact they have on us right now, they buy the most classic "divide et impera" crap — youth as always the most politically active is told that all the modern world troubles come from a regular white working man, and for white working men and those of youth who don’t fall for the first part they’ve got their own pocket "fascists", radical conservative Christians and stuff. Thus the brain-washed youth attacks the white working class, and those of it who don't succumb to the BS of "white guilt" go full right-wing. Who's the winner here? Corpos are. Their main threat is eliminated. While the brain-washed zombies of both the new "left" and right are engaging into Twitter dog fights, dem corpos make a profit and get to control more and more of our lives. Welcome to dem grime cyberpunk future m8.

Edit: Needless to say, uncle Joe would have them instantly shot, and in more humane Brezhnev times these so-called modern "Marxists" and other SJWs would be just put into an asylum to make a vegetable from them, 'cause don’t you dare to spoil the idea.

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incardinate•

The Marxist philosophers were the ones that came up with the social theories we collectively call cultural Marxism. They came up with them because their expected outcomes to invoke a Marxist revolution failed, so they went back to the drawing board. The political theorists theorized that Marx's uprising didn't occur because Western values and Christianity were too entrenched for it to occur.

One of the key cultural Marxist philosophers was Georg Lukacs, who had originally designed a plan as the Minister of Culture in the Hungarian Soviet Republic to undermine normal Western sexual views. After the collapse of the country, he fled to Austria where he met up with other Marxist philosophers, one notable one being Antonio Gramsci.

When Antonio Gramsci had returned to Italy, he was imprisoned by the fascists, and wrote notes outlining something he referred to as "cultural hegemony" where he outlined various aspects of what he perceived to make up Western culture.

  • Christianity
  • Authority
  • Heredity
  • Family
  • Patriotism and national unity
  • Sexual restraint
  • Personal responsibility,
  • Community
  • Conservatism
  • Language
  • Tradition

He wrote that academia and media need to push a "counter hegemony" to undermine those planks of Western culture

In 1923, German Marxist political theorists influenced by these two political theorists, as well as Sigmund Freud and sociologist Max Weber, opened a political think tank called the The Institute for Social Research at the Frankfurt University.

These included Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Wilhelm Reich, Herbert Marcuse, and Erich Fromm. While they agreed with Marx's political philosophy, they believed he had underestimated the power of culture. They made the observation that a lot of the workers were moving into the middle class and had no motivation to rise up for a revolution.

Since National Socialism in Germany considered them as the Enemy, they all fled to the United States when Hitler came to power, where they were welcomed by Columbia University.

After Hitler's defeat, all of them returned to Germany to reestablish there, except Herbert Marcuse.

Marcuse believed that the Marxist revolution wouldn't be brought about by the proletariat, but by a coalition of blacks, feminists, homosexuals, and students. He became popular in the 1960s due to the Vietnam war. He was the one that designed what we are currently suffering today. He believed the left should be embraced because its "tolerant", and all right wing ideologies should be suppressed because they aren't.

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bakahakka•

It’s worth noting that you've mentioned yourself that they fled to the US, not to the USSR. If they did to pull up this crap there they’d be shot or sent to labour camps for no shit. All of their post-modern "culture" crap is viewed as a bourgeois revisionism at best, and as a conscious malevolent diversion meant to discredit everything the idea stands for and the "divide et impera" reactionists' tactic, by any person at least somehow related to old-school classic Marxism, for the very reason I've described above — instead of solidifying unity of the proletariat regardless of their origin, nation, ethnicity or religion, it spreads nothing more than alienation and division between them and making them turn on one another, which in the end of the day serves the true exploiters. The very concept of "racial privilege" brought up by them looks as straight up racist and NS bullshit for any oldie leftie or at least a person brought up in the USSR or a bit after its collapse. Welp, whatever

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Jovianad•

In the warped minds of cancel culture enthusiasts they are building something: Utopia

This is the problem with what the OP wrote: it relies on others having objectively reasonable beliefs and the awareness to enact them.

People don't work that way. They are biased, irrational, and crazy at times (including myself and everyone reading this). Sometimes, you have to create a system that has the right incentives to punish those who destroy value. Get woke, go broke will work over the long run.

Edit: to be clear, by work, I mean get rid of the people getting woke in for-profit corporations. Shareholder awareness is slow, but it happens over time, and when it happens, it happens big.

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Shraknel•

To second what you said and also kind of add to it is this statement.

I forget where i heard it but it says that:

"A truly evil man is some one who believes what they are doing is right."

These people really are the worst of the worst as they don't care who they have to hurt to get what they want and they believe they are right in doing so, and believe that they doing the world a favor.

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kryvian•

I came here to write this but you did it better than I could.

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MosesZD•

Pol Pot thought that. Two million Cambodians (22% of the population) paid with their lives.

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202700000000•

Socialism doesn't make things, it just takes the things you made at gunpoint.

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kryvian•

They always think themselves as fair and pure and excellent leaders, communism in my country was the same, it's still recovering from it 30 years after the fall of communism.

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DaHomieNelson92•

Don’t you just love it when people whom haven’t experienced communism tell those that did they are wrong in hating communism because of x and that their vision of it is better?

Because as a Cuban immigrant to the US, I loathe every time this happens to me.

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IANVS•

Oh, I fucking hate that. I live in ex-Yugoslavia, formerly communist territory, we witnessed how communism destroyed morals, society, economy and dumped us into lawless vacuum after it crumbled...we've been through all kinds of shit, wars, hyperinflation like in Venezuela now (also communist, what a coincidence), our political system is still a single party dominated joke...it takes a special kind of idiot to disregard all that and feel nostalgic about communist times. We wish it never happened.

And then young, dumb, college goers (because they go to colleges but don't learn shit there) pop out, with mouth full of praise for communist ideals, thinking they'll make the world a better place by being the same garbage they're supposed to fight against and, of course, it will work this time because they are doing it right, like history doesn't exist...and then they have the gull to preach communism to people who grew up in it and suffered because if it.

The arrogance and ignorance are through the roof...

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NhanFiction•

The same ones who have anti-capitalism stickers on their fancy laptops as they try to write their screenplays while sipping on expensive coffee at a shop that is clearly powered by socialism. Oh, wait.

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kryvian•

I hate it, point out all the bullshit and horrors to them, and then they label you a nazi.

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NhanFiction•

BUT THAT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM! IN THE PERFECT MODEL, EVERYONE WILL BE RICH WITH THEIR OWN HELICOPTERS!

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kryvian•

[LOADS SHOTGUN WITH MALICIOUS INTENT]

I'm about to do a hate crime. He'll I'm gonna do a lot of hate crime.

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Moth92•

EVERYONE WILL BE RICH WITH THEIR OWN HELICOPTERS

So everyone will be going on helicopter rides?

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comptejete•

One extreme is overly concerned with generating wealth no matter what, while the other is overly concerned with redistributing wealth no matter what. Neither is desirable, but for some reason we have come to the point where one is vilified for suggesting the optimal solution is somewhere in the middle.

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CDBaller•

If you have a pie that has been distributed at a party and a few guests show up late, do you take a little bit of everyone else's pie for them, or do you bake another?

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comptejete•

If I can afford to bake another, why not? If on the other hand we're out of ingredients, and the late guests haven't thought to bring any or chip in for some, then I'm afraid they're going to have to settle for leftovers.

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CDBaller•

Exactly. I'm not going to take anything away from the guests who were here on time simply because the late-comers are beggars.

I don't think the right is focused on creation of money or wealth as much as on creation of value.

Wealth may improve an individual's life, but value improves everyone's life. Raising the standard of living for the rich and poor, for the same amount of money, should be the ultimate goal.

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StabbyPants•

well yeah, we have the notion that one side is literally genocidal and the other wants to live their life - make a caricature like that and the notion of moderation looks absurd.

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brotherjustincrowe•

The side that claims to be the latter looks more and more like the former.

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midnight_riddle•

This is also why they're so obsessed with shit like making Batman or Superman black instead of promoting actual black superheroes. They don't want to make 'their' own thing great, they want to claim the work and rewards of someone else's efforts. They're the fucking DeviantArt twats that trace over anime screenshots to produce their OCs.

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StupidstarWill toll bell for Hot Pockets•

Let's take another example, Daryl Davis has spent most of his life combatting racism through kindness. He deradicalizes people by basically asking them "Why do you hate me because I'm black?" opening up a dialog and being persistent in building a relationship to where the other party can see "my views are probably wrong because this guy has been very kind, so I'm going to attempt to change my ways."

On the other hand, most on Twitter would have you believe the only option for dealing with racists is punching them in the face.

Speaking of Daryl, the Woke have been shitting on him.

This was posted to KiA a week or so ago, but it got removed by the mods.

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Vendemmian•

When Daryl Davis isn't woke enough for you......

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StupidstarWill toll bell for Hot Pockets•

Honestly, I think this highlights what Wokeness actually is: indulging in socially acceptable bigotry and the thrill of destroying lives, rather than trying to promote understanding, tolerance, and a general wish to get along.

Daryl, in that sense, is the antithesis of Wokeness because he's trying to stop the cycle of hate. Wokesters absolutely don't want that.

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Shraknel•

Why would they want it to stop... other wise how are they to justify the immoral studd they are doing.

What makes it even worse is that they have told themselves this lie for so long that they now believe it.

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Moth92•

Wokesters absolutely don't want that

Yeah, they want to destroy everything including people who are trying to make things better without destroying everything.

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djdomain•

The bigger problem for the wokesters is that Daryl is actually doing what they claim to be doing, except he confronted actual racists in his journey, and then when he says that the people he was with at the meetup in no way resemble the vilifying smears the wokesters labelled them as, it absolutely de-legitimises their beliefs and actions.

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kalamander1985•

The OG Black White Supremacist

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djdomain•

Clayton Bigsby?

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StabbyPants•

that makes sense - +1 socjus, -2 unrelated politics. i can't see it meeting posting reqs. still, i have a copy now

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FadingEcho•

It's just easier to hate. I have a very leftie co-worker who, in almost every cultural discussion, tells us the negatives of it. Did you know women weren't allowed to have bank accounts before 1960? Every historical point is marred by a restrictive context. There were no good times because before desegregation blah blah blah.

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APDSmithOn the lookout for THOT crime•

It's also a facile misunderstanding of the context. Given the laws in place pre-1960, with the husband responsible for the wife's debts, married women were, frankly, bad risks - legally, there was no possible penalty that could be levied against them (remember, some of the suffragettes had their husbands sent to prison for precisely this) if they just decided that they did not feel like paying a loan back.

Given that, it makes sense to be extremely cautious about lending any such people anuthing that you can't afford to lose - would that the banks have shown such restraint in the lead-up to 2008.

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L_Keaton•

Banks used to be greedy because they wouldn't give loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back. Now they're greedy because they did.

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RealFunction•

sounds like easily disprovable horseshit

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EarthIsNotAGlobe•

It’s all virtue signaling. It’s easier to make people think you are virtuous by condemning something perceived as not so than to act virtuously.

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iLLprincipLeS•

Most textbooks covering early 20th century anarchism claim that anarchists used terrorism because they were too weak to successfully overthrow the government. They rely on an obsolete understanding of conflict found in political science that considers the tactics of an organization to exclusively reflect its capacity to project power. In other words, tactics exist in a linear scale from terrorism to ABC weapons, and an organization will always use the strongest tactic within its means in order to achieve its goal.

In reading Mikhail Bakunin, however, the Father of Anarchism actually makes a principled case for the inherent value of terrorism to the anarchist cause. Bakunin teaches that one of the greatest barriers to the abolition of the state is the belief that one can be assured of a reasonably good life by following the rules, living morally, and respecting authority. Anarchist bomb-throwing is not just a tactic of last resort, but an [im]moral message to the citizens of a nation that this belief is untrue. Bakunin tells us that the purpose of terrorism is in its randomness. By throwing bombs into train stations and theaters, it demonstrates that everyone is equally subject to violent death, whether they lived an upright and moral life, or whether they are a homeless beggar. Ultimately, according to Bakunin, there is no value in taking the high road, abiding by the restrictions of society, and respecting the authorities because these things will not assure you of a good life or safety from anarchist attacks.

While there was nothing one could do to ensure one’s safety, there was certainly something that would assuredly lead to a swift death, and that was openly opposing Bakunin’s anarchists. Random bombings must be paired with the tactic of targeted assassinations of police leadership and politicians in order to intimidate those who might step up and protect society from anarchist violence. While the bombings illustrated the principle that ordinary people could not make themselves safe by cooperating with the government, the assassinations proved that nobody was beyond the power of the anarchist movement and open opposition to the anarchists would be repaid with a bullet or a car bomb. In this way, according to Bakunin, society could be cleanly decapitated of its leadership and the people left huddling in fear, afraid to engage and therefore stripping the government of their collective support, preparing the way for the Revolution.

The anarchist movement was defeated throughout the West by the actions of law enforcement and nascent national security agencies, but their tactics did not die. Islamic terrorism is inspired by Bakunin’s work. More importantly, however, Bakunin passed into the modern radical Left through the Frankfurt School, undergoing the same social transformation that turned Orthodox Marxism into so-called ‘Cultural Marxism.’ The latest manifestation of Bakuninist terrorism in American politics has been the #MeToo movement, which takes Bakunin’s basic approach and transforms its symbols into the culture war manifestations most famously described by Herbert Marcuse.

Anarchism changes from an attempt to destroy the institutions of government to one which attempts to destroy the principles of moral and social life. At its root has always been egalitarianism: the belief that every person was created equal, and therefore any authority of one person over another must be illegitimate. By changing the terrain of battle, this equality is now centered on social life. A moral person must be made equal to an immoral person, regardless of the real-world consequences of their actions. A person who made good choices in life must be made equal to one who made bad choices. If people are equal, then their choices must therefore also be equal, else one person has demonstrated an intolerable superiority by prospering while others failed. The success of the moderate, courageous, prudent, and just man is a stinging affront to the equality of the immoderate, cowardly, imprudent, and unjust person. Therefore, by transvaluing the principles of Western society, the cultural anarchist enforces equality between the moral and immoral person, bringing to life Bakunin’s famous quote that there is no sin except the belief in sin.

If the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings have demonstrated nothing else, it displayed the fact that living a clean life, following the rules, and acting in good faith will not protect a person from having their life destroyed on the basis of a baseless accusation. The tragedy of these hearings is that very few people have lived a life as morally faultless and personally honest as Kavanaugh. He has no string of mistresses, no history of crooked business dealings, and no vengeful ex-wives in his closet. Nonetheless, a lifetime of good behavior is worth nothing when he became the subject of a virulent politicized attack.

With President Donald Trump, it was expected that scurrilous claims about his sexual life would be a common occurrence throughout his term of office. Donald Trump lived a life embracing the pleasures available to a person of wealth and power. What is shocking and abhorrent about the Kavanaugh hearings is that the Judge is perhaps the closest thing one might find to an anti-Trump short of a monastery, and the Cathedral got away with treating him exactly the same way they treat Trump. If they can destroy Judge Kavanaugh, they can destroy anyone. Being MGTOW or volcel is no protection against the destructive power of modern feminism, as facts no longer have any relevance to the destruction of a man’s life. Indeed, rape is now a crime that is beyond the realm of facts, as #MeToo proudly proclaims that belief in the accuser is the fundamental test for determining guilt or innocence.

This, indeed, is the entire point of the #MeToo Movement. By embracing cultural anarchism, by throwing cultural bombs in crowded places and assassinating anyone who dares speak out against them, #MeToo manages to replicate the tactics of Bakunin’s terrorists transferred onto the new symbolic terrain of the culture wars.

In the battle to transvalue Western morals, there are few tools as powerfully destructive as the [im]moral terrorism of politicized rape allegations. It can now be said, with reasonable certainly, that there is no earthly reason to live a moral life, to respect women, or to deal with honesty with others, as such a person will be treated the same as if they had done all the opposite. Leftism has done the impossible: they made Thrasymachus’s argument the stronger, and Socrates’s the weaker. It is best to actually be perfectly unjust while appearing to be perfectly just. Thus, this state of moral anarchy paves the way for the Revolution to come.

What can be concluded from this analysis? Certainly, there can be no doubt that changing the American system from the inside is impossible. No amount of voting will prove capable of effecting change to the paradigm of American politics so long as anyone who threatens the status quo will have their life destroyed on the basis of false rape accusations. Nobody is going to stand up for a sex offender; so as long as everyone is subject to accusations of sex crimes at any moment regardless of their actual guilt or innocence, the Left has the ultimate weapon to strike down any reformer capable of saving the American system.

Secondly, it must be recognized that the ability to unperson an individual in this way is a projection of power. The Cathedral is playing power politics and questions of right, law, or ideology are irrelevant. As mentioned in a previous essay, deploying ideas against power is as absurd as arguing Just War Theory against a man with a rifle. So long as the victims of these allegations lack the ability to punch back twice as hard, there is nothing which can compel the Establishment to desist from these kinds of tactics. Power can only be checked by power, as Madison argued in the Federalist, therefore one can expect that these tactics will only amplify and escalate until someone appears who can apply disproportionate power against them.

Open resistance against the Cathedral’s power at this point is futile. This is why passivism remains the superior alternative in today’s world. Rather than putting oneself out there and running for office to become the next sex offender smeared or jailed over a fabricated story, now is the time to become worthy, to gather resources, become self-sufficient, and prepare communities of like-minded individuals who will protect each other from the assaults of the cultural anarchist regime. Like in the days of Red Terrorism, random bombs will still go off in train stations and theaters. Liars can be found in every Human Resources department in America. By living within intentional communities, however, we can rebuild a society where Thrasymachus is wrong and Socrates is right, where it is worthwhile to do the right thing, to respect authority, and to live faultless lives. Find your Mannerbund. Become Worthy. Rule.


The Rise Of Cultural Anarchism

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thestringpullerOP•

This makes me think of "The Purge", which many who voted for it (in the fictional world that is) because it was viewed as "the great equalizer". But violence itself is disproportionate in how it can be dealt for many reasons, but a few examples:

  1. Someone who is trained in lethal force will have an easier time exerting his will through violence than an average human. Batman comes to mind here, where many legal scholars would argue, "He has the capacity for deadly force."

  2. The means of which to commit violence through tools is also disproportionate, be it you are a gunsmith, or have a lot of money and can buy a lot of guns.

The list goes on and on and on. Yes we only have one life to live, and only one death to give, but this is the only actual equalizer: we are all here together under the same pretense of heading toward an inevitable death.

So lets analyze your overall theme/thesis:

It can now be said, with reasonable certainly, that there is no earthly reason to live a moral life, to respect women, or to deal with honesty with others, as such a person will be treated the same as if they had done all the opposite.

This makes sense in there being a planned push for weaponizing post-truth while trying to remove the ability of humans to have critical reasoning. Those who think critically will be perceived as conspiracy theorists.

The problem here is the amount of data that we will generate that is "factual" or non-repudiable will vastly outnumber fake data (the concept of trust, but verify. This is the reason crypto enthusiasts love math, you can verify many things if you are willing to use math correctly). Although this is ancillary, look at how the BTK killer was caught, he generated metadata that had location data that lead directly to his arrest. Think of how much more data that is generated in this day and age, and how much of it can be verified for authenticity.

This is probably why there is a push for "believe first, verify later", regardless of who is advocating for it because the reduction in critical thinking allows for post-truth to replace truth. "This institution I trust told me, so I believe it's real, I will not use my critical thinking skills to verify its authenticity."

So back to Socrates and the cave. Yes society is building a new Plato's Cave, we are shown shadows via social media, and are told to believe they are truth. Those who venture outside the cave and say, "l can no longer see inside the cave because the sun has blinded me, but the world lit by the sun is the most beautiful thing I've seen", are stoned to death as an example to prevent others from leaving the cave. "Look this dude left the cave, came back speaking gibberish, and is now fucking blind. No one else is leaving this damn cave."

The only way to combat this is for people to fully embrace critical thinking and to ask meaningful questions to come to real conclusions and answers that make actual sense.

For me if the result of a complete realization of post-truth where you can't believe anything is everyone being skeptical of everything, then that may ultimately be a good thing.

One of my favorite lines of all time is from the Matrix where the Oracle tells Morpheus, " I expect what I've always expected, for you to make up your own damn mind." Which is a reiteration of what she consistently preaches.

"Make up your own damn mind."

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ValidAvailable•

Theres also spite/contempt as a motivator. They dont want to build, already having everything they want or content that Theirs is progressing along. However they can't stand that you exist and have your own things outside of theirs, and out of pure hatred for you want to destroy Yours. Building wouldnt let them indulge that desire to inflict pain on their enemies, to make them know they are subjugated.

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KaltatheNobleMindClown World is full of honkies.•

They aren't mad problematic media is being sold they are mad because it's being baught.

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plasmarob•

I'm planning on doing a podcast eventually and it will focus around these topics.

You're onto something crucial that few people seem to understand.

Thank you for this post. It's absolutely correct and something everybody needs to spend more time thinking about.

In the end the war is not between "our" side and "their" side, but between people who want to build, and people who want to destroy.

Look at the meta-war - the series of -gates, politics, religion, etc - and you'll see the same thing every time. Sometimes "anti-sjws" are the ones destroying. Some folks on "our side" I find dangerous and I stay away from.

The battle between good and evil isn't between gamers and feminists (Christina Hoff Summers has been on our side) or any other order vs chaos, it's between construction and destruction.

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_theholyghost•

We see this in the co-opting of already established and often respected franchises in media, in order to attempt to use the fanbase as a conduit to preach their progressivism. How many existing franchises have been touched by wokeness by this point? I can't even count them all.

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Jesus_Faction•

I think the world would be a better place if we all tried to do the most amount of good for the greatest amount of people

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mellifluent1•

That is exactly how every bloodbath, genocide, and intifada in human history began in its infancy.

The only rational, demonstrable way of getting to your goal is for us to all try to do the most amount of good for ourselves and those closest to us, and let those people go off into the world to do the same for others. It's when you start trying to do good for others beyond your sphere of influence, that it starts to get dark around the corners where your scrutiny slips.

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FadingEcho•

I would hope that was his point. Because who defines "good?" Lenin? Who urged unionists to take up guns against others then, after winning, immediately took their guns, outlawed unions and murdered everyone in leadership?

Stalin? Mao? They had an idea of good too...in an abstract way.

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VicisSubsisto•

A better way to put it, perhaps, would be to try to do the least possible amount of bad to any given person at any given time.

Those atrocities you mention occurred because people told themselves "It's okay for me to hurt this person because, eventually, it will help someone else."

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CDBaller•

Maybe we should just respect that all people are human, made in the image of God, with natural rights and responsibilities that no one else can give or take away from them.

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IANVS•

So many people forget that...It's what Christianity teaches, coincidentally (at least the sane "branches") - try to make yourself better so that you can be a beacon for others and it's on them to take notice and follow, if they wish. Once you become a "megalomaniac", start streching beyond your sphere of influence, try to do the impossible - change everything - and start to force things on others, that's when things go wrong. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is completely true.

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Shippoyasha•

It just seems introspection is the one thing these monsters lack the ability to do. Utopia starts from the self.

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L_Keaton•

"What's the point of saving the world if we can't help the people right in front of us."

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GodotIsWaiting4U•

Just on the Daryl Davis point there: specifically he asks them “how can you hate me when you don’t even know me?”, not “why do you hate me because I’m black?”

Which is PERFECT. It’s important to frame the question that way, because it throws away the groups and just makes it about individuals. Hate groups operate on “us and them”, and you break their power when you switch the conflict to “you and me”.

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brotherjustincrowe•

Creating is always harder than destroying, and these people have shown themselves to be nothing if not entitled and lazy.

Case in point, how after the "white male Patriarchy" is smashed, free stuff will just rain from the sky or something.

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hopesksefall•

Purely anecdotal evidence that I believe is related to what you are saying. Like many others, I hate how Game of Thrones(the show) ended. I'd invested a good amount of my personal(precious) time into the show and felt cheated by the shoddy writing, etc. It stuck with me for several days and weeks afterwards and I bitched about it, loudly, to any friends or acquaintances willing to listen. I was then introduced to r/freefolk, a subreddit filled with like-minded individuals with a penchant for buggery memery. I felt, and still feel, that there really isn't anything constructive to do with my anger/feelings of betrayal, and so, I enjoy the tearing down of the goofs in charge of the show, and the show itself. It feels good to tear it down, and to an extent, I get why the folks on twitter and others continue to do so, but...actually, I'm not sure where I'm going with this.

tl;dr I understand the need to express your anger/disappointment/betrayal/etc but having an outlet that doesn't endanger a person's well-being(emotional, physical, professional) is important and necessary.

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NeV3RMinD•

To be fair you can't tear anything down when the writers beat you to it and absolutely butchered GRRM's books.

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You're saying the charge is led by pathetic losers, with no skills or talents?

Imagine my shock

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JBrody•

Exactly. I feel like what we are seeing is the vast display of beta traits. Betas choose to destroy people instead of competing.

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This is pretty much the cornerstone of Atlas Shrugged. I'm not recommending Rand but she had a good eye for describing the symptoms, not least because she'd seen it all before when it really mattered.

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OmegaCloud969•

On the other hand, most on Twitter would have you believe the only option for dealing with racists is punching them in the face.

Yeah, I press "X" to that pal, I very much doubt these bitch ass 1st world "progressives" will punch an actual fucking nazi, these twitter mobs types would probably shit themselves if they had to fight some motherfucker member of the aryan brotherhood or some shit like that.

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WindowsCrashuser•

She has credit for making games but not games that have mainstream appeal that she made herself.

She try to make the Chuck Tingle game on Kickstarter of course she can’t get that one off the ground or give any updates for that one.

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Danteku•

But they do believe they're building something. How often do you hear things like "We're taking down this power structure and building a new, RADICAL something-or-other"?

While what you say may make sense, you have to first understand that the people you're talking about (ZQ et al) don't really subscribe to common sense and will always justify their actions with wordplay and semantics.

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TheCrowGrandfather•

I would like to take a moment and point out that generally disagreeing with something, and/or criticizing something is not the same as cancel culture, despite what Twitter says.

You don't need to build something first to have a right to criticize. Saying you should change this art isn't the same as saying "this needs to be cancelled."

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thestringpullerOP•

You don't need to build something first to have a right to criticize.

There's a vast difference between an outrage mob with virtual pitch forks, and genuine intelligent criticism. And to have genuine intelligent criticism you should probably have actual skin in the game, meaning you are owning some level of risk that could result in loss.

This brings to mind the IYI (the Intellectual Yet Idiot):

Typically, the IYI get the first order logic right, but not second-order (or higher) effects making him totally incompetent in complex domains. In the comfort of his suburban home with 2-car garage, he advocated the “removal” of Gadhafi because he was “a dictator”, not realizing that removals have consequences

This is key, because criticism and debate alone are fine, it's when a call to action (either through implication, or a direct call), is made based on psuedointellectual criticism. This is where they are more likely to destroy something someone else built (even if unintentionally), because they don't have skin in the game to begin with.

"For social justice, focus on symmetry and risk sharing. You cannot make profits and transfer the risks to others, as bankers and large corporations do. You cannot get rich without owning your own risk and paying for your own losses. Forcing skin in the game corrects this asymmetry better than thousands of laws and regulations."

Simply put, you have to right to say whatever the fuck you want. But when you are saying things that result in actions that have consequences, and you are unaffected by those consequences, that's when it stops being criticism and something else altogether.

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