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Posted Sep 30, 2019, 10:24 AM UTC
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Unironic total support for President Xi jinping, President Miguel DĂaz-Canel and President Nicholas Maduro.
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And president Evo Morales.
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I mean how could you not?
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They are dictatorships -Dictatorships of the Proletariat
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Ppl really do be that dumb
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Okay on the “China imperialism” question. Why is china not a secondary imperialist state? The contradictions are piling up and communist parties of different countries have criticized chinas foreign policy. An anarchist pointed this out to me. Im here asking why its bullshit and why they are all clowns and why someone in a first world country is more dialectical than other nations partys and not the real clown. No downvotes, please prove me wrong.
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China is giving out humane loans and legitimate infrastructure etc. Opposed to the imperialist IMF and all which gives predatory loans which generally tied to a rule set which enforces something else (i.e. Give us petrol, open your market to us, do these in the given deadline) which if failed fucks up economies and causes civil wars etc.
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Unfortunately most Liberals I speak to see this as China bribing nations for support and to not speak out against all their alleged atrocities.
Liberals will read what you just said and dismiss you as a CPC shill propagating Chinas propaganda. How do you actually talk with people who think like that? It's a total dead end.
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You can’t talk sense in them unless they want. This is the facts, how you can’t change them so they kinda accept it. Sorry but you might need to not talk to them.
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This exact post is the correct take
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Isn't China known to give loans to countries it knows won't be able to pay back to then take control of the infrastructure?
Edit: hey it was a legitimate question because i only know of one specific example
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Examples? Never heard legit curious.
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Haven't read this article but this is the specific example i read about in another article in french https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/world/asia/china-sri-lanka-port.html
You can probably find a better source than the nyt if you look up "China Sri Lanka Port"
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China is imperialist, all the aid they give other countries is directly setup in a way that strengthens their market and influence while weakening the United States’. The support for China among leftists just comes from people’s inability to accept that no foreign power is going to save us. Western communists were so used to looking at the USSR that when it fell their world-views collapsed, now as the communist movement rebuilds itself it is mimicking its previous tendencies around an even less socialist state.
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Funding infrastructure is imperialism, my brain is big and wrinkled
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I like how the evil, insidious part of Chinese “Imperialism” is that it will make friends for the Chinese.
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communists cant have friends checkmate
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At the Belt and Road Forum, President Xi noted that “In pursuing the Belt and Road Initiative, we should focus on the fundamental issue of development, release the growth potential of various countries and achieve economic integration and interconnected development and deliver benefits to all.”The BRI is an umbrella initiative which covers a multitude of investment projects designed to promote the flow of goods, investment and people. The new connections fostered by the BRI could reconfigure relationships, reroute economic activity, and shift power within and between states.
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-belt-and-road-initiative/
Asking how infrastructure is imperialism is like asking how the Brits building roads across their colonies benefited them. Development is good for imperialism, up to an extent.
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Except China doesn't have a world full of colonies like Britian and they dont invade foreign nations under false pretenses and/or assassinate their democratically elected leaders in order to install murderous fascist Dictators that are friendly to their interests like the USA.
The end goal as Xi said in that very article is to develop all nations involved and to benefit the working class, not the Capitalist class as is the case with the Imperialists.
Chinas behavior may look the same as the USA/Britain but only if you totally ignore the context of their actions.
Remember China is still a transitional state, rerouting resources to bleed the Imperialists dry is the global version of hanging the Capitalists with the rope which they sold us.
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These countries are usually drowning in debt from neocolonialism, are subservient to Western capital and can expect an intervention whenever they step out of line but china giving out loans at fucking 2% (as was USSR post-stalin) or straight up funding infrastructure to give them access to a different market that isn't trying to fuck them over is imperialism, I'm a leftist and my brain is huge and as wrinkled as Queen Elizabeth's pussy
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When the PRC starts enforcing a monetary policy over SOVEREIGN francophone African states, that FORBIDS said SOVEREIGN African states to print and denominate their own currency without the permission of Banque de France and the ECB like one particular European state does, then we can even start considering whether it is even Chinese imperialism.
Until then, whatever they accuse China of is just child's play compared to the shit they pull even today to keep Africans down and poor!
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all the aid they give other countries is directly setup in a way that strengthens their market
I'm not sure how improving local infrastructure in African countries, for example, is going to make the Chinese market grow. Sure, it might induce economic growth in the receiving nations that could improve trade with China, but considering the fact China is handing out no-interest loans and other generous benefits, it's rather clear the intent isn't exploitation(whereas Western economic aid not only exploits with interest but gobbles up assets the moment it can to exploit even harder till it sucks the victim dry).
The support for China among leftists just comes from people’s inability to accept that no foreign power is going to save us.
Uh...my support for China comes from the fact they're a socialist country under the leadership of communists in a world full of imperialists and libs who consistenly pump out nonsensical propaganda to demonize them.
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Who THE FUCK is talking bad about my boy Thomas Sankara????
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Orange man good
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Reminds me of a quote from Comrade Stalin:
"But such is the fate of "ultra-Left" phrasemongers. Their phrases are Leftist, but in practice it turns out that they are aiding the enemies of the working class. You go in on the Left and come out on the Right."
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Despite agreeing with the point made here, I believe it's still important to read Enver Hoxha's thoughts of the matter.
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I'm sure anarchism would've worked great in the Bronze ages when your biggest threat was angry wildlife, but when you're under siege from imperialism it doesn't hurt to have a society that can be besieged. I don't know why they think their idealism can defeat the Nazis, ward off sanctions, and solve global warming.
If you start an emission negative commune, then you've solved global warming for 20 people. Sadly though, it's a collective project involving humanity.
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Tbh bronze age civilizations would conquer anarchist communities easily. I'd push it back to the Neolithic era when humanity was still developing as a period where anarchism would work.
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I mean it's about material conditions to be fair, but yeah, I see your point.
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LMAO this is basically Thought Slime's tweets.
Anarchists :/ He gives good analysis on a lot of subjects tho, and we need to have each other's backs, fash are coming
The thing is, when bad shit happens, we show solidarity to all our comrades, but Breadtube guys like Thought Slime, Anarchopac, and others who have chosen to stand against participating with ML(M)s because of things that happened 100+ years ago have become pretty reactionary and sectarian. It's hard for us to work with sectarians who will not be able to stand against capitalism with us because "muh authoritarian tankies and their states". We have anarchist comrades, they exist, but these digital Anarchists you see on Reddit and Twitter, are not among them.
which is why we need marxist unity, not left unity
Oh, yeah. And we need to reach as many people as possible. We need some unified Marxist front, people willing to spread class consciousness among working class people.
Noncompete has some atrocious anarcho takes but he seems pretty sincere about left solidarity and collaborating with ML(M)s.
I think he might say that because his gf is ML. Other than that, I think he legitimate thinks we would betray him or something like that, he needs to learn the next revolution will not look like Catalonia or the USSR.
This larp is fantastic