I'm so lonely :(

Hello everyone, so first of all some basics, I'm a 19 year old dude from Western Europe taking a masters in computer science. I am a virgin in every sense of the word, never been kissed, never dated, etc. not even close. I can count the times I've genuinely felt a girl might be somewhat interested in me with half a hand, in fact, it only happened 2 times, and both times I failed to do anything about it. The second time hit me really hard because I was absolutely head over heels for this girl, that was the strongest I've ever felt about anyone in my life and when I failed to go beyond a good friendship it left me scarred for several years and I've just barely gotten over something that happened 4 years ago. I've never been a party goer or a drinker or anything, I'm goofy and fun around friends but generally a little shy especially around girls. I've just recently started going out more and drinking a little.

Getting to the point, since I had that bad experience 4 years ago I've yearned for the same feelings, the butterflies, the good kind of awkwardness that happens when you're alone with the other person, waking up excited to go to school or whatever just to see that person, etc. It started as just being sad over being a pussy and not confessing my feelings, but for around a year I've been thinking about how much of a lonely sorry guy I am, I've had several dreams where I had those good feelings again and I finally found someone and it always fucks me up for days on after. A couple of friends (a guy and a girl) were rubbing up to each other just earlier today and I hated myself for it but I felt super jealous and angry. I know how bad that sounds but it's the honest truth.

(I feel like I'm just ranting at this point, but honestly I just need to get this off my chest.)

It's not like I'm ugly, I've been told I'm handsome and I think so as well, if a bit on the thicc side. It's just that 1) bad luck and me being an incel retard has made it so I have little to no chance of meeting any girls anywhere (Tinder and the like is off the question, won't go into detail why) and even if I did 2) I become a solid concrete wall in terms of appeal after an initial talk: I can't and don't know how to flirt, even if I did I'd be dead scared to try anything and even if I did try something I'm so scared to do it I end up fumbling and stuttering. Past that, assuming all of this works out which is extremely unlikely I'm so unfamiliar with any kind of physical contact or intimacy I'm not sure what to do, how to do it, and especially how to do it while every single fiber of my being is blowing up with stress and nervousness making me start sweating and stuff.

Sounds like your typical nerd incel type right? But I'm not an incel, nor do I want to be one. I desperately need just someone to love and to be loved by. I don't even care about sex and stuff I just want someone to love me :(

I don't know what to do, I'm gonna keep trying to do what I can I guess... I just can't sit idle while my own head fills itself with thoughts of loneliness, inaptitude and self loathing. This feels like such a huge ramble and probably has little to no coherence but this is what years upon years of pent up emotion looks like, I had to tell someone about this and just come straight, I found out about this subreddit and it seemed like a great place for me to share my story and just... Tell someone about it, I couldn't keep it hidden away from view anymore. "You're gonna die alone" creeps into my thoughts too often and it needs to stop.

If you read my entire emotional rant then wow congratulations, and thank you so much for taking your time to go through it, it means the world to me. Kind words and all sorts of input are what I came here for so go ahead! Constructive criticism included! Have an awesome day and again thanks for reading through :)

UPDATE: I took the advice on this thread and read Models by Mark Manson and it did wonders. I've applied the concepts I read in the book and just today I mustered the courage to talk to a girl in my course, it went surprisingly well and we've got a lot in common. The book was absolutely responsible for teaching me to have the courage to go up and talk. Now the rest is up to me.

Posted Oct 10, 2019, 12:01 AM UTC · edited

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weighwardho•

Hey friend. Thanks for making yourself vulnerable enough to share some pretty tough stuff. I’m glad you have this community to talk to.

It may be cliche but people are interested in romantic partners who have interests, some to share, some to do separately, some to keep you fit. What interests do you have? Could you focus on improving yourself for yourself and see if that self-love attracts a partner?

For what it’s worth, there’s a range of ages when sexual maturity occurs, physically and emotionally. There are real late bloomers out there and there’s no shame in being one of them. That bell curve takes almost all comers. Be kind to yourself.

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Fudge00OP•

Wow thanks! Yeah I have plenty of interests and stuff and working out and improving myself is definitely something I aim to do. Coming to this sub definitely was a great idea.

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weighwardho•

I have several close friends from community classes I took as a young 20-something. Try new things. You never know what you’ll love until you try!

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robsterinside•

It seems like there are many socially based expectations that you are validating. People who are date-worthy won’t really care about your fulfillment of those expectations, but are indeed harder to find. Allow yourself to stop acting self-consciously, since that usually sends confusing signals to anyone who might be interested. Be who you are and do what you do without filtering it out; it’s easier to catch someone’s interest in an organic way.

Start attending social events related to your interests, or join an online community where people can talk freely about hobbies or interests in common. Be open minded about your own expectations regarding a woman’s look, personality, views, etc. If you just want to start developing experience, go on a fake date with a female friend, and ask her to help you identify social cues that you might be overplaying or missing. Awkwardness is normal during an initial or casual conversation, try to find a specific topic that you can explore (hence the recommendation of joining a community).

If you are really insecure about being sexually inexperienced, try to get in touch with your own body first: genital pleasure is just a minuscule part of satisfying sexual intercourse. Explore sensations centered on other areas of your body and try to imagine what the other person would find pleasing. A good making out session is always a good start, and awkwardness is sometimes part of it (at least at the beginning). Just please don’t be predictable, and don’t let the socially established idea of a man during sex to be what determines your performance, use all of your body to provide the other person with a safe, warm and caring companion.

There seems to be an insecurity around how women can perceive you, but I think you’re also worried about how other men see you. You shouldn’t really care about other people’s perception of you, and male friends should be supportive, understanding and helpful, there is no reason for us not to help each other to be more authentic. Whoever becomes interested in you won’t really care about you being inexperienced, or a little on the thicker side (in fact many people find it attractive as well), shy, not a partygoer, etc.

In summary: try not to underestimate yourself. Get out there and do what you like. Eventually someone will notice. Try to produce an energy of confidence (even if you really feel insecure), remember nobody actually knows what they’re doing so you can just pretend you are like the rest of us. Look at yourself through kind eyes and people will start doing the same if they feel that energy coming from you. I wish you the best and I hope that you are able to find the love you’re needing. (It might sound cliché but you should begin by deeply continue to love and accept yourself exactly as you are and letting others get to know and fall in love with that). Thank you for sharing and if something that I said is not useful or comes out as rude, unnecessary, I sincerely apologize.

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Soakd•

Man I didn’t have any gf or kiss or anything til like 18 and senior in HS and shortly after.

I don’t party and pretty awkward. Met my now wife online. And everything is great.

Just focus on yourself. Loneliness will be temporary for you. You have life goals in place and just take it easy.

You’ll run into so many ppl in your life, esp career and random encounters. It’s actually wild.

As long as you aren’t a cynical douchebag that also treats ppl like shit and talks down to ppl. Youre going to find a few ladies to meet and hang with and grow your book of “what to do” in situations and with ppl.

Don’t sweat it. Honestly. Hell. Ppl that haven’t been single in years or decades are probably thinking..god I wish I had ‘me’ time and away from ppl.

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jeebus224•

Have you tried hopping on Tinder or Bumble? While not 100% they can increase your chances of meeting someone in real life. While you may have to think of things to say, they’re both good tools.

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Just dropping in to say, give Models by Mark Manson a read. I think it’ll help contextualize what you’re going through a lot. Best dating advice I’ve ever read.

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Fudge00OP•

Hey came back here just to give an update on what has happened since this was made. I gave in and picked up the book, expecting nothing. Instead of the cringeworthy self-help textbook I was expecting I got a deeply relatable, useful and inspiring book that (as corny as it sounds) completely - and I mean completely changed my philosophy when it came to not only women and dating, but my own confidence, self-worth, body, worries and insecurities. This is starting to sound like a book review but honestly Models became the absolute driving force in my love life and it will continue to be so. I started reading it maybe a day or two after making this post and in the nearly 2 weeks since I've started to apply a lot of the concepts detailed in the book, with positive results too! While nothing has happened in concrete yet, my confidence got a massive boost and I feel readier than ever to stick my neck out, be vulnerable, and connect with other people, especially women. Thank you SO much for the suggestion, really, it entirely changed the game and I don't see myself accomplishing anything if I hadn't read it.

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_spaceracer_•

A lot of women are going to be very grateful you took that chance. I’m glad it helped.

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