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Wendeli

Loves agility but impulse control drops to 0 at class

I took my 8 month old Keeshond to his first agility class, an intro one session course to see if your pup would enjoy agility. He loved it, shot through the tunnel, ran across the a-frame and albeit clumsily still confidently did a short teeter. The trainer told me he'd make a good agility dog and had a lot of drive and speed.

My problem is his barking was the worst it's been since he was 4 months old and he jumped on the trainer and pulled like mad. He's 8 months old, normal adolescent behavior. But I've spent the last 5 months working on improving it and on settling him and taken a lot of training classes to do so. I know his impulse control and obedience was low because he's excited and there were a lot of new dogs (someone brought a reactive terrier that did not stop barking the entire class, so that didn't help). I'm worried that the agility classes will hurt his ability to settle and most importantly stop barking and stay quiet; his breed is prone to nuisance barking and I've spent so much time reducing his barking. Anyone else do agility with a barky dog and did you see an increase in the barking because of it?

Would you recommend agility if I still want my pup to be calm and quiet outside of classes?

Posted Oct 14, 2019, 1:39 AM UTC

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Splitfacedog•

The logic that doing agility will worsen a dogs impulse control is in line with a lot of trainers false belief that playing tug will affect a dogs impulse or make them aggressive. Uncontrolled tug may lead to trouble, but as long as the game has rules (drop when i say drop it) it shouldnt have a negative effect. In fact the affect should be positive. Games with rules give the dog a healthy way to get there energy out. Set rules. Have him sit and stay at the start line, if he breaks the stay dont let him play until he doesn't. The same can go for barking- we dont get to play until we settle just a little bit. If you need to do one obstacle and call him back to settle for awhile thats fine. I would also advise coming into class with a exercized dog. Go for a walk or play fetch beforehand. Get a little bit of his puppy energy out before you go. Its easy to want to feed into a young dogs exuberance at the start, and the object isnt to break it down, the object is to reward control first. Hes still young yet, so it may not be a bad idea to keep taking obedience classes or just sit in at agility and work on getting him to focus on you and then join again once hes a little more settled and matured. He sounds like a great dog and he probably will excel at the sport, but he is still a baby and may just need a little time to just be a baby.

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WendeliOP•

At what behavior point would you recommend starting agility? What commands should they be solid on and what should they be able to achieve behavior/ maturity level wise before starting? I know they need good recall, which he used to have but lost it this month, so we're back to square 1 on that... Having a teenage dog feels like trying to pour water into a colander when it comes to obedience :(

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Splitfacedog•

I would start with doing sequencing without obstacles, like sending around stations of jumps. Call him back periodically and reward. A solid stay and watch me are important too, obstacle focus will come later. Just focus on foundational stuff, building his general obedience and confidence. With my puppies i always sit in on agility classes (which is admittedly easier when you are also attending the class with an older dog like i always am) and let them get used to the other dogs running around and the slam of the teeter. Once hes comfortable just relaxing in the atmosphere he will perform a lot better once he gets to go out and actually do it.

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Vtrin•

So here’s the deal, your dog is 8 months. I make this mistake all the time. It takes time for them to mature and get the job. At 8 months they’re still a baby.

I got my latest dog, he’s from a national champion stud and a world champion bitch. His sister is competing internationally at 18months having a full time trainer. 40-60 hours a week.

My guy with me is on track to be competitive regionally for about 3. This comes down to I only have about 5-10 hours per week to train him.

At 8 months having your pup love the equipment is incredible. Lots of people never get there. Lots of people work really hard to get there.

It can help to refocus on the small improvements. My guy barks and shrieks at me. Sometimes we go out and work just one or two obstacles and we work that a few times, make sure everyone has fun then we call it.

Sometimes he shrieks and runs around so the game ends and we try again later. This guy is 2 at the end of the month.

When it comes to agility many dogs are much more mature before they get it. They say dogs typically peak between 6-8 but I’ve seen plenty that go longer, 10,12,14 and more.

What I’m getting at is don’t stress it your pup will get there. And you’ve got lots of agility to play with them. Find the little things to celebrate they’re worth it!

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orangetangerine•

Would you recommend agility if I still want my pup to be calm and quiet outside of classes?

Yes, but with some caveats.

If you ever want to get past a class environment, I would say that impulse control should be the #1 thing you should be training outside of class. It's important for safety. Trial environments are crazy and filled with distractions, and having a spitz, you are already kind of dealing with a breed that goes from 0-to-60 and also can be a big barker.

I have a Samoyed and my goal with him was to do agility, from lines that do agility. They're also spitzy and can be big barkers. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do for everyone, but it was important for me to know why my dog was barking more than anything. I did a flatwork class with him when he was 6 months old, and due to circumstances but also because I really felt like he needed more work on life skills, maturity, I decided not to continue on for awhile and I switched to nosework for a bit. I thought it was more important, especially with such an independent kind of dog, to have one that could work conflict-free and enjoy working with me, and I thought agility was simply too hard. Obedience (which, if you think about it, agility is basically moving obedience) was hard for him too. So I focused on teaching him focus in obedience class and switched to a sport for a little bit where my dog could work on stuff independently and cope/problem solve on his own.

I brought him back a year later after he got his CGC and Rally Novice title, proving he could do happy work with me in the face of distractions. I could've totally trained him at his younger age, but our training has been more methodical and also less frustrating. He came with a slough of good behaviors too - happy crating in class (even when I'm running my other dog!), better conditioning, and less distractability. I often do drills with him on the floor and other dogs in close proximity doing different stations and he never runs off.

I think in cases like this, it's really important to think like a spitz dog. What motivates them? How can you plan to stick to criteria without asking for too much? It's important to not push them too hard, and understand timing and criteria to frustrate them as little as possible. My Sammy loves other dogs and people, and for a long time it was simply too hard for him to come to class to even observe. I managed him by covering his crate for awhile. I even brought a soft crate to parks to practice crating and settling. This dog now LOVES agility, but we have worked on crating and impulse control so much for agility outside of agility class, that when I finally started him back up again, it was a really smooth transition. Breaking that behavior out and proofing it in distracting areas was really important.

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WendeliOP•

Yeah I think focusing on CGC and just working with him at this point is a lot more important than worrying about learning agility.

Mine loves to bark at other dogs when he's excited and to just in general bark when he gets super excited... It seems to be a common trait in keeshonden that I'm constantly working on getting under control.

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Thrinw80•

I have a very hyper dog who gets really distracted in classes, so we do private agility lessons. My dog is so distractible the trainer has to sit outside the ring while she coaches us. It’s taken some adapting but he’s improving a lot and loves it. You might see if some one near you offers one one one training instead of a class at least until your pup is a little older.

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rsadmacc1•

Look up the cog-dog radio podcast and listen to the latest episode called FOMO.

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