Buy out Muncy through ARB & extend?

With Muncy headed into ARB1, having "proven" himself over the past two years, and the fact he is turning 30 next year (motivation for Muncy), I could see the Dodgers and Muncy reaching a contract agreement that secures him beyond his ARB years.

5 year deal for $55mil plus a team option for a 6th year. Muncy secures his future, and the Dodgers get a longer term discount.

Per various forecasts out there, he would be expected to get just shy of $5mil in 2020. I would assume $10mil for 2021 (ARB2), and $20mil in 2022 (ARB3). $35mil for remainder of ARB. Tack on 2 years at a discounted 10mil each, gets you to $55mil. AAV of $11mil. Tack on a team option for another year at $5mil.

It takes away a small amount of flexibility in 2020, but assuming that Muncy continues to produce, it provides a great deal of value/flexibility for 2022-2025.

Thoughts?

Posted Oct 15, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

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Infraready:Kershaw-C: Clayton Kershaw•

I don't think anyone would disagree that extending him is the best move, the question is how much. I'm sure he'd make the argument that he's worth more than $55mil over 5 years, and considering that'll be the rest of his prime he's going to want to get every dollar he can make (deservedly so)

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ThinkBlue87OP:Stripling-R: Ross Stripling•

Absolutely - the decision really lies with Muncy like you mention. You never know what a player's motivation is, but I think a former journeyman who won't be a FA until his age 32 season (3 more years) might be motivated to get some of that financial security. Maybe 55 is little on the low side, but probably in the realm

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psychotichorse:Buehler-W: Walker Buehler•

5/80 sounds about right. Basically the Ethier contract. Don’t think a guy like Muncy would turn down $80,000,000 especially since he won’t sniff that in the open market. He could reasonably get more than $55Mn through arb + his age 33-34 seasons. Don’t think he would come close to $80,000,000.

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B_J_J_Panda•

I think he could get pretty damn close to 80 million if he maintains his current production. 5 mil this year, 10 next year, 15 in 22. Thats 30 right there. If he hits FA with 5 straight years of that production he’ll get 20+ million in 23 and 24. That’s a floor of 70 million. Of course that assuming he maintains this production.... but that’s exactly what his agent will argue he is going to do.

I think they are probably better off riding out next year on his arb1 deal, then offering a marketish value 5 year extension next off season.

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AngryHomerj24•

$60-65M over that range is more likely what he'd be asking for. I would be fine with extending him.

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Walker, Seager & Belli should get more attention in that realm though. It actually makes me slightly nervous that nothing has been done with them yet.

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makesmashgreatagain:Kelly-J: Joe Kelly•

We’ll see, but I’m curious if the Dodgers will want to take Belli and Seager after team control ends. I think the jury is still out on Belli- this year (really the first half) was incredible and unsustainable. But can he maintain a high caliber? Belli will always be a valuable asset because his batting is decent but his defending is excellent. Seager needs to stay healthy to help himself out

Of course the big problem is they are both Boras clients. I love them both, but i can see Boras arguing that Belli deserves a contract based solely on 2017 and pre august 2019 Belli.

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ThinkBlue87OP:Stripling-R: Ross Stripling•

He doesn't have the leverage at thisbpoint for the $120 range with 3 more years or ARB, combined with his age. That probably represents what he might be leaving on the table, compared to playing out ARB, and testing FA.

I don't see Buehler, Seager, or Belli going for a buyout at this point. I think they all look to FA (Boras being a factor also). Maybe Buehler is an exception with injury risk, but I'd imagine he's the type to bet on himself. Spreading out a guy like Muncy allows for flexibility with the 3 you mention.

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Thatmandem1•

I think locking some of these guys up for the long term is prudent. The only guy I think we should let walk is seager which I would have been against before this post season.

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Two_scoops_of_sorbet:Maeda-K: Kenta Maeda•

I'm so happy for Muncy. Seems like a genuinely good guy and was almost out of baseball forever.

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