Master HJP in a nutshell
Posted Oct 28, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC
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*trying for the silver lining, here*
At least Audric was a Free character that almost everyone has. His build is ridiculous, though. If you started after his event and don't have G!Cleo you may have a bad time. Maybe things will change up after Master HZD.
I made a Dark Staff this morning when i saw the Meta was mainly Healer Cleo/Patia/2X G!Cleo... I haven't had any runs come even close to clearing... womp womp :(
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If you started after his event, you are in now way ready for Expert HDT, let alone Master. Also, you can't have Gleo if you started after his event but that's neither here nor there.
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Oh, certainly regarding right now, people who started after Audric's event wouldn't have him nor G!Cleo.
I was thinking more about going forward, if this meta persists.
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Ah gotcha. Yeah, this is a shitshow. If this remains the way to clear going forward, I hope for everyone's sake, Audric is available from the event replay feature.
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You realize there are other units who can clear it right? Natalie for example isn’t even limited
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has a natalie cleared master high jupiter?
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You missed the point; it’s more for people who want to clear it using the Gleo-Audric strat.
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Wait what did I miss, what makes Audric pass the hp check? What’s his built?
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Here's the link to the thread on the WF Clear, along with the Audric build details.
Essentially his build is: HDT T1 Dark Sword, Bridal Dragon + Happy New Year/Castaway Journal, and HMS or other stun/freeze dragon (like D!Jeanne or Arctos).
Since it's relatively easy to obtain; the Master lobbies are now full of Audric Hosts looking for 3 G!Cleos, lol.
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dont even need HDT sword. Off element dragon and pure utility prints dumps his dps to near 0 already, the sword doesnt even matter at this point.
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Well damn, good to know!
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Thank you very much!
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Everyone runs bridal dragon to dragon tank the opening blast then when Jupiter does the next hp check (Electron Outburst) Audric dragons into HMS or any dragon that can stun/freeze to stop the hp check. He then kills himself so the 3 Gleos can mop up Jupiter with ease.
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He’s actually more valuable alive. To bait the dashes and pecks away from gleo so they get better dps uptime
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Great and vivid explanation, thanks! ;D
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Would Audric also be viable for standard HJP? I built mine because I like the character, but if he can be used to endgame content too then great!
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This is just downgrading the ingenious strat that they came up with
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Gleos only want him for his D...prep!
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I got them both but still can’t clear it ;)
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Is not enough if 4 Gleos have bridal dragon? And burn it to pass the HP Barrier. So that way we got the same cheese run.
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Problem is - You only get 40% prep, so not enough for a shape shift unless you somehow deal a lot of damage in the timeframe before opening blast, even then, there is a delay.
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Audric has innate D prep, that's the key. Only way to have dragon immediately.
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I have no idea what that means. I thought I knew video games. I don’t.
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as far as i know the HP check in HJP is so high that ranged units dont survive to combat the gleo issues. But instead people came up with a strat to use dprep to tank the opening blast with the dragon form
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I don’t know what hp check, hjp, gleo, or dprep are
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all high dragon trials usualy start of with an unavoidable attack
Recently there were new difficulties added to those trials.
So far, one of those trials was kinda dominated by Gala Cleo (Gleo) and because of that cygames tryed to make the HP check so high that Gleos couldnt enter the trial anymore, but with another unit there is a way using a dprep print (Dragon Prep) to avoid this attack to make the higher difficulty version of the fight available to gleos again
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What’s an hp check? Sorry I started this game this week
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When 3 gleos turned up thier noses at my 8000 might dark unit I thought... Ahhhug. Maybe it cant be done.
Then I was told they couldnt carry said unit if they tried. And at this I thought... An 8000 might unit isnt asking to be carried, but okay, it must really be impossible.
This audric is proof that people are BSing you in expert trials and they only want those sweet extra seconds
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The Gleo cheese strategy actually needs 4 Gleos or you won't break before the first spark which is a wipe.
Obviously you can still do it the normal way. Same reason you don't bring Xainfried to a HBH Fjorm cheese party.
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Gotta say this isn't entirely true. I've made it past the spark stage with both a Veronica and Natalie; both instances ultimately clearing the stage. We did need 3 Gleos to make up the rest of the team in both cases. Yes, it takes longer than the 4 Gleo cheese strategy, so people need to play more carefully. But it is possible.
(I only really know this since I've helped a friend on discord who doesn't have Gleo and struggles to find rooms. We farmed with his Natalie, and when I PUGed and got a Veronica, I gave her a chance to see if it would work. We indeed managed to clear with the Veronica.)
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Yeah I posted below that it is possible with Natalie and some other characters but the break before / immediately after the second dash attack is mandatory for the strategy to work otherwise the party gets wiped.
If you have a healer on the team, you have to do it the normal way which is totally possible just takes longer.
You can probably also use yaten w/endless waltz equipped.
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I just saw your first comment and didn't want people to continue the "elitist" mindset that you have to use 4x Gleo for the cheese strat to work. Saw the amount of upvotes you got, so just wanted to point out on that specific comment, it is possible to break before the spark without 4x Gleo. Granted...you still need 3x Gleo, but better than nothing.
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Kek. Gotcha. Unfortunately, every party is cheese party in hjp expert.
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Actually iirc Natalie works as well as the strength coability is enough to get the break & she also hits hard herself. It's just not going to work with like, Curran or Heinwald.
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I am aware. I wasn't trying to argue anything, I was simply stating that pubs are brutal and biased right now. I dont want to join a map with 3 gleos, I am simply recounting an event between friends. I was told a Curran/Heinwald/ with 2 gleos would be unable to get past the boss even if they were fully invested and holding mub hdt wepons. I thank you for the lesson tho, even if it was pretty unprompted.
As I said, im not touching ehjp. Not interested if I cant use what I want to use.
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I mean I think the problem is this clear wasn't pug, not even remotely close. These are literally few Taiwanese players playing learning and discussing together in real life next to each other ay late night, a condition that most HDT clears don't have. A big part of "a lot of things haven't been tried" is because it's pretty hard to coordinate stuff like this in pugs (for starter everyone needs dragon prep + Audric to have enough prep for starter dragon to tank the nuke)，or even people you talked to on discoid that you have never played with or discussed strategies with.
But now since mHJP is so fucking intense, people don't really have much of a choice now except to do a comp like this, in which it will become the stable clear comp, at least until someone comes up with better alternative. So the only way you force people to coordinate I guess is to make it so hard that you don't really give people options lol.
Which, of course, also begs the next question of "wtf is this kind of difficulty doing" in a game where you are expected to deal with pugs on a touch screen phone, and "why the fuck is end game weapon gated behind it". Do they expect all of us to always discuss strats to even have a chance to play this game properly? (The funny thing is these players and the twitch chats were constantly either mocking or cursing at Okada as they are hours deep in trying out mhjp without first success... Almost everyone who have managed expert and master hates him now because it's insane to ask players to farm them consistently just to get end game weapon on a mobile game that you are expected to play with pugs, but I digress, and it's not like the vocal toxic elitists here will listen that the whole world outside of their own bubble hate this shit show now).
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I was wondering why I was getting downvoted so much lol. Thanks for telling me.
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No other unit can safely disable the threat of electron with this specific team comp in masters. He’s just there for stun/freeze utility and does negligible damage. Strong utility is what it takes to enable the 3 top tier dps characters (by no close margin). This is master, basically any unit can clear experts especially when more people get hdt2 weapons.
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I was talking dps wise and not for master trails. Im not even going to try and touch that hot mess. I dont even mess with expert anymore. I was just accounting a personal experience or whatever.
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Low effort meme made in 5 minutes to congratulate the HJP first clear.