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Yellow_guy

Who to play at CB prior to the next CL match?

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With both Blind and Veltman suspended for the next crucial CL game what are your thoughts on the next two Eredivisie games?

A guy like Schuurs didn't play that much the past couple of months so it might be logical to start playing him already against Utrecht and/or Heracles.

The same with testing Alvarez as a CB. I'm not sure if he's a good fit in that position but I'd rather test it in an Eredivisie game first.

Obvious downside would be Veltman and Blind not playing for a longer period, but the games with the NT might mitigate that.

Posted Nov 6, 2019, 10:53 AM UTC

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non-relevant:14: Cruijff•
   Promes  -  Tadic  -  Neres
             Ziyech
         Donny  -  Alvarez
Nico - Martinez - Schuurs - Mazraoui
              Onana

Martinez and Schuurs played together for about a month at the start of the season, so at least they have some experience together.

also maybe I would actually switch Dest, with more defensive than usual tasks, for Mazraoui considering those rapid Lille attackers

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de_duivel_zelf•

I would like Alvarez as a cb. Martínez and even Mazraoui add much more to the midfield than he does. I’m not sure about Schuurs tho

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Neverevergilded•

I think we should appeal both red cards, definitely the Veltman one, since it was the ref's fault and not ours.

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Yellow_guyOP:10: Litmanen•

As far as I know you can’t appeal a second yellow. For me the Blind one was totally justified, the Veltman one seemed harsh but could be argued according to the rules. If it’s handball (I know, debatable) there is an automatic yellow if it also prevents a goal.

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Neverevergilded•

For the Blind one, I'm not sure, but if you can show that there was a foul made on Blind before he made his foul, then his foul doesn't count. I'm not sure about this though, I do believe his foul in itself was worth a second yellow. For the Veltman one, there have been a lot of mistakes before that. The foul on Blind should've been called, the foul made by Blind should've stopped the play immediately since it was a red card offense and there was no clear! goalscoring opportunity. Also, I believe that since last year when a penalty is given it should not be automatically yellow since the penalty is already a punishment. I don't believe it would've been a clear goal if Veltman didn't touch it. So the Veltman red was definitely wrong for multiple reasons.

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Yellow_guyOP:10: Litmanen•

Problem is it’s a lot of interpretation and the referee has a lot of room for his own. All of these points are not clear black and white mistakes. Just different interpretations of the same situation. It’s like the VAR, there are no clear and obvious errors in his judgement so the decision on the field stands. Maybe they’ll appeal to sent a signal but I doubt they have any chance.

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Neverevergilded•

I agree that it's interpretation, but if the ref thinks it was a clear goalscoring opportunity and it would've gone in, he is not a very good ref and shouldn't referee CL matches.

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Zachyyvan•

Look at the U17 wc yesterday. Handball penalty, no red. Giving two at once with a penalty is madness. I hope we can appeal Veltmans

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Yellow_guyOP:10: Litmanen•

Just checked, the guy did get a yellow like Veltman.

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Sunstridr:2: Schuurs•

Uefa has made it that bans in Europe can't be appealed.

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ik101:4: de Ligt•

We have 3 defenders who should be starters. Tagliafico, Mazraoui and Dest. I don’t know which one of them would be best at CB, but they all should be able to do it.

We have 2 defensive midfielders Martinez and Alvarez who could play CB

We have reserve CB Schuurs, who’s a good player but doesn’t have a a lot of experience yet.

You can also put Mazraoui, Martinez or Alvarez in midfield to help support the defenders.

It could look like this

Promes-Tadic-Ziyech

Martinez-Beek-Mazraoui

Taglifico-Alvarez-Schuurs-Dest

Onana

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dutchyank•

Tadic

Promes - Ziyech - Neres

Martinez - Beek

Tagliafico - Alvarez - Schuurs - Mazraoui

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Yellow_guyOP:10: Litmanen•

I’m thinking along the same lines. Would you start in the Eredivisie already or just wait for the CL match?

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ik101:4: de Ligt•

Definitely start Schuurs in the eredivisie, he needs the experience. Maybe with Alvarez next to him so they can get used to each other and Blind in midfield. Would be a shame to bench Blind, but we can bench Veltman.

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scopard•

Mazraoui is bad in the mid

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Hail_To_Hoots:31: Tagliafico•

Heracles and Utrecht aren't the easiest games but I'd still like to play others at CB considering how important every game is in this group.

I personally want to try Alvarez at CB, that was his position when we signed him and it's probably still his best one.

Alvarez-Schuurs is probably my personal favourite though Ten Hag seems to prefer Martinez over Alvarez as CB.

Then maybe play Blind in midfield and Veltman at RB if he's really worried about them losing their rhythm. I think subbing them in would be fine as well depending on how the games go.

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2ts1h:14: Cruijff•

I think we'll play with Alvarez-Schuurs against Lille just to keep the rest of the team intact. Martinez as LCB would be good as well but he's doing very good in midfield and there isn't really someone to replace him there.

Speaking of which, does anyone know how Eiting is doing?

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ifeelfeelss•

We should keep most of our squad intact and play Schuurs together with Alvarez at Cb. Maybe switch Alvarez and Martinez for more ball playing ability from the back but not much more then that. Since Lille doesn't really have anything to play for it'll be an interesting game but I'm quite certain we'll manage to pull through. Positives from the Chelsea game are that I think we've found our best 11 which suits our style of play.

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TheHunterAmin•

Why not this:

Onana

Dest-alvarez-martinez-tagliafico

Vd beek-promes-marin

Neres-tadic-ziyech

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zeeotter100nl:17: Blind•

Promes at CAM?

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teymon:10: Litmanen•

Why not? he's played there a few times already, interchanging positions with Ziyech throughout the match

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campione54•

ten Hag will set hiss defence like he did yesterday Onana Maz-Schuurs-martinez-nico Alvarez-v/d Beek Ziyech Neres. Tadic. Promes

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24apple•

It was like this yesterday:

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Mazraoui - Schuurs - Martinez - Tagliafico

Alvarez

​

Moreover, Schuurs and Martinez already started 4 games together as CB duo. And Alvarez barely played in defense so far. Most of the time he played CM/DM. Tagliafico only played once as a CB for Ajax: the last game of 17/18 in a 3-man defence. So yeah, not going to happen.

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AjaxUKfan•

You could play Nous and Dest as wing backs. With Nico and Alvarez as centre backs

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cumfortably_dumb:9: Huntelaar•

I'd go something like

Onana

Dest Alvarez Martinez maz

Ziyech vdb Nico

Neres tadic promes

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dutchyank•

Are you mad?

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cumfortably_dumb:9: Huntelaar•

I can explain my thoughts

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dutchyank•

The same as yesterday but Schuurs and Alvarez as CB’s is good enough for me. Our attack is good enough to smash Utrecht at home and Lille away.

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Yellow_guyOP:10: Litmanen•

Why switch Nico in mid and Maz at the back?

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cumfortably_dumb:9: Huntelaar•

Some one suggested to push Nico into centre defence, but for me Nico is far more important to us in the press.

Keeping Nico in the mid will help us achive that because i don't want us to get defensive.

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de_duivel_zelf•

I agree Nico does defend really well but he’s really good attacking and I think that way he would be free and could help dest or maz, otherwise play nous in the midfield (or Marin)

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roelvdwilk•

Promes Tadic Neres

                     Ziyech

Marin Van de Beek

Nico Alvarez Martinez Mazraoui

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Zachyyvan•

I think this bit maybe with Eiting instead of Marin? He showed he can play there in champions league qualifiers last year. Whatever the case I hope we test it in the Eredivise games as warmup the groups tight even with a win against Lille were not guaranteed progression.

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de_duivel_zelf•

Eiting would be hella risky tho

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roelvdwilk•

Eiting is a fine player but not experienced enough imo. Marin actually played a good game as sub and i think he can handle it well.

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