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MaybeGreg

I'm worried that people see the cut Pokémon as the only issue

SpoilerDiscussion / Venting

I've been a pretty outspoken critic of the series since Gen 6 took a turn for the worse, but now that Pokémon are being cut, I'm worried that people will see that as the only issue. Of course, that's not to say it isn't an issue, but to me, it was the next logical step in the franchise. They've been shrinking and messing with the games so much and, in my opinion, prioritising the wrong parts of the games.

Exploration is a big part of the series to me. Taking paths to places you never need to explore, looking deeper into dungeons and discovering secrets... I feel like the series has abandoned exploration for exposition. Long winded stories while your player character stands there with a smile on their face, not saying a word. Where we used to go off the beaten path to discover a legendary Pokémon, you now receive them from the mailman. Nobody told us to climb Tin Tower to catch Ho-Oh, or find the Power Plant to catch Zapdos. These days, finding a legendary is part of the story and mandatory, or as easy as walking to a store for a code.

Another thing is how, even to this day, version exclusives plague the series. Except now, they've been doing more to exclude features depending on version. Not only is Galarian Farfetch'd and a bunch of other Pokémon exclusive to the $60 variation of the same game, but multiple Gym Leaders are now exclusive to games. Why? You don't trade Gym Leaders, so that's a piece of reasoning that can't be brought up. Then again, now we're getting to Generation Exclusives. That's a phrase that can be said. Meanwhile, I can play HeartGold (the one with Ho-Oh) and catch Lugia (the one from SoulSilver). Please make a single game.

It wouldn't be one of these threads without discussing the lack of postgame. Sidequests, maybe 2 routes at most, and the Battle Tower with a new skin? What, the Battle Frontier wasn't good enough? It had so many options for expanding the gameplay, from mastering rental Pokémon in the Battle Factory, to putting a twist on the formula with arcade! And hey, they love Kanto so much. Wait until they hear about this great postgame place called the Pokémon World Tournament. Every Gym Leader, every Champion, and so much opportunity to expand on it! They've made all those models for Pokémon Masters, after all... unless they decide that they can only port some Pokémon. And it goes without saying, returning to a previous region is an experience and a half. I'm no Kalos fan, but if I could return to Kalos, I know I'd have so much more appreciation for it.

These next few are more personal and minor so I grouped them to a single paragraph and with shorter explanations. The music feels more distant and less impactful due to the instrumentation. They make me miss Gen 3 Brass, which says a lot. Quality of Life doesn't mean much when it results in removing options. I never use experience share because I enjoy grinding and difficulty. Charizard is one of my favourites but Kanto Pandering is a serious issue. Especially when it's Kanto Pandering to the Pokémon they want to use. They abandon new features fast because, I paraphrase, "they want to bring them back with a twist". To be fair, this was when they were asked about bringing back the Battle Frontier, and they spoke about how a Bike can go on water now. That's relevant... Models vs. Sprites, this is a fun one, the static idle poses do little to represent the Pokémon (Intelleon) while the dynamic single frame sprites represent the Pokémon in a single image, with personality. Gen 5's dynamic sprites also do well in this regard. Abandoning features after one Gen, I loved Title Defense and I fully expect it to be gone, just like PWT and Megas.

If we do get all of the Pokémon back, great. But I skipped Ultra Sun and Let's Go, because it was clear they didn't want to change for the better. With Sword & Shield, I'm just hoping they hear more than just "The Pokémon are missing". After all, it's feedback they want, and they want their players to enjoy the games.

Posted Nov 7, 2019, 8:58 AM UTC

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KaijuDownThere•

I actually think version exclusive gym leaders is fine. It actually makes a different version more worthwhile, where having two versions just because I always thought was silly. Now they do it just for the theme and marketing.

Version exclusive Pokémon, while unfortunate, is probably a necessity. It encourages trading, which has always been a big feature. Though now the cut Pokemon will harm that.

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JonSnuurDragon Knight Dreams Killed By JoJo Memes•

I’d like games to at least have actual story differences a la FE: Fates if they want to justify multiple versions. I couldn’t imagine spending $60 just to say, “Now I get to spam a dark move instead of a psychic move for this gym!” or “Now I can catch this Pokémon that I could get off the GTS in five min.”

Some people buy both versions to have multiple playthroughs, which is absurd. We should have multiple save slots (which yes the switch can do but doesn’t share online outside of family plans).

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MaybeGregOP•

But I still think that's not enough to make a difference. Gen 5 did it and it still felt like a waste of time to me.

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shataikislayer•

Tbh it's the only problem with avoiding the games for me. If they had the dex I would breed all my favorites and just spend the whole game in the wild area.

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whitemest•

Only? No, but it's such a large ass issue that other issues are taking a back seat.

The catchphrase has been gotta catch em all for 20 years, then on the premier Nintendo switch home console release we see a culling of pokemon by somewheres in the 50 to 60%. That's fucking huge, no starters but the current generations, and of course charizard. Plus dozens of others cut

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MaybeGregOP•

Not saying it isn't, it's the BIGGEST but my concern is that we all celebrate while these issues still remain.

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CheeseDaver•

My only issue is that it is on the switch instead of a parallel handheld and I’m a long way before I can invest my money and energy in one. Switch lite doesn’t cut it for me.

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toofemmetofunction•

I agree with you. In my case, dexit would be acceptable if the games were meaningfully evolving and they truly were putting some elbow grease into making all of the remaining Pokémon feel like living breathing creatures in the game...but since the entire game is basically the same copy paste from the 3DS era with a few minor changes, I think it’s unacceptable. Overall what disappoints me is that GF’s lack of ambition and visionary leadership means we will never get the Breath of the Wild of Pokémon, or the Odyssey of Pokémon. The least they could do was give us the Smash Ultimate of Pokemon, but they haven’t done any of those things.

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Phantomal44•

I disagree with your point about the gyms. They're actually differentiating between the 2 versions now, so buying both actually gives you a new(ish) experience, where as in older games it was just the same thing outside of the legendary quest or the version exclusive pokemon.

While the games have become a bit more linear, I don't feel that's necessarily a bad thing. I felt like Ultra Moon did a decent enough job of mixing up exploring and knowing where I need to actually go. Heck, they even put in an exploring optional side quest with the Zygarde pieces.

Regardless, there's not going to be any secrets like the Mewtwo from Gold, where my friends would say "you need a lvl 100!" or something of the like to get in. Everythings online, and probably shoved down your throat, so the adventure is going to be less suprising.

I loved Platinums Battle Frontier equivalent, and did enjoy the variety, but I dont think postgame is super important in a pokemon game. (I dont count HGSS's Kanto as postgame. It still feels like the main story to me) As a kid, the postgame was catching all the pokemon, roaming the region and training them. As I got older the short postgames were nice, but I never really wanted more. There's so much more charm in just exploring and finishing your dex, and then maybe shiny breeding afterwards.

I agree with the models, but as is we aren't getting all the pokemon, so I guess lets finish that before they start making more dynamic models. There's also been some decent music in newer games, I wouldnt completely write it off.

Finally, bring back Megas Idrc about all the other gimmick BS

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MaybeGregOP•

I think them doing more to make them different is because they want more sales. Make more content to separate these two basically-the-same games, and people will buy both to get the "full" experience.

It's so boring to go in such a straight line though. And you can't really praise Ultra when it should have been a DLC pack.

Just because everything's online, doesn't mean the content isn't worth it.

Postgame is THE thing I care about. The main story's are always exaggerated and disinteresting to me, so doubling down on that is just so boring. Let me explore, let me have choice. Stop forcing this character's backstory down my throat.

The models don't need to be changed, just animated better... oh wait.

I mean, I prefer Megas to the rest but it'd be nice.

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Revan2424•

Because Megas aren’t a gimmick?

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Phantomal44•

They were 6th gens battle gimmick, just as much as Z-moves or gigantimax is.

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Fire07901•

Ngl, I fricking love sun and moon. Also when did Masuda say this?

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MaybeGregOP•

It was a nightmare realised for me. Here's the source.

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Fire07901•

You didn’t like Sun and Moon? I definitely liked it over X and Y. But honestly, I just prefer seeing my Pokémon move over to a game with even better graphics. Which is why I’m so mad about dexit. XD also this is actually kind of comforting to see that they are possibly willing to take into account peoples reactions and that they said it so recently that it is not outdated.

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MaybeGregOP•

No, it felt so linear and repetitive. Felt like a Pokémon minigame added on to a different game. Gyms being gone felt like I was playing slice of life visual novel, instead of a Pokémon game. Just not recognisable.

Edit: Oh, and they have to prove they listen. They haven't listened to other things for years, I'm not confident they'll start now.

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Fire07901•

I understand where you are coming from. I guess I loved sun and moon because I really only started grinding core games last year and kind of just went backwards through the gens, so I think I found it more appealing as a newer player.

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spectrumtwelve•

great post ^

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MaybeGregOP•

Thank you!

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Destany89•

I plan on getting the game used. Not paying full price for it. Also not sure when we will get a switch.

I am hating these gimmicks. They should have stuck with mega evolutions. Z moves and now giant Pokemon are just stupid.

I do like different forms Pokemon though.

I also hate the Gen 1 pandering. Honestly surprised some other gen Pokemon have gotten anything. This series is going downhill for the kids. It's easier. You get so many handouts. A favorite saying my husband says to a game when he starts a 3ds file is "stop holding my hand, it hurts"

Kids aren't stupid. I was 9 when I got Pokemon yellow and was able to complete it.

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JonSnuurDragon Knight Dreams Killed By JoJo Memes•

I agree completely and skipped the past two titles same as you. The Dex debacle isn’t the only problem, but it has been a big enough issue to finally get people to be critical in big numbers. It was the tipping point for ending complacency.

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MaybeGregOP•

I just hope the camel that had it's back broken doesn't pretend everything is solved when Pokémon are brought back.

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mdesaleah1•

*Black and White enter the chat

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Destany89•

Yeah no. It was fun but it wasn't the best.

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