Is Blizzard finally killing off Tyrande in Shadowlands?

Discussion

Didn't actually mean it in the title. :P

So, there has been quite a few discussions on Night Elves as a whole recently. So I feel the need to see how people generally see Tyrande Whisperwind.

Tyrande has been quite a controversial character in the Warcraft series (not as popularly discussed as Sylvanas and Garrosh), some loved her since WC3, while some loathed her since then and even more so in Legion. Many wanted her to lead the charge of Night Elves' return to their savage nocturnal roots, while some just wanted to see her die asap. I just wanna hear your honest personal opinions on her character, why you feel that way, and how you think she should have been written. Here's my take on her character.

Tyrande, on the inside, is a compassionate person. During War of the Ancients, Tyrande was a compassionate young priestess who cared for Broxigar when everyone shunned him. She cared a lot for Illidan but only as a friend. She had to lead the Night Elves as High Priestess at a young age in the midst of war. Then came the Long Vigil. With Illidan locked up and Malfurion sleeping for few millennia on and off, Tyrande led the Night Elves alone, reluctantly. Malfurion later remarked that Tyrande grew fierce and became more willing to make any sacrifice. This pre-WC3 period marked her change from a soft lady to a tough leader. Then Tyrande debut in RoC, where she was ruthless in taking out Orcs and Humans alike, even when Furion voiced a potential alliance. But final mission in RoC marked Tyrande's change of heart for foreigners. She praised Jaina, "Your plan is a bold one, young girl. Perhaps I have misjudged you outlanders." (How they communicated is beyond me. Ishnuallah.) Followed by TFT, where she offered Kael and the Blood Elves aid at first sight, an act of repaying her debt for the Alliance that aided them on Mt Hyjal. She even gave Kael kind advice on how to lead their people. Then comes her most heroic (and stupid) sacrifice where she stops the Scourge from crossing the river. She probably didn't think EK bridges couldn't support one Starfall cast. Jokes aside, that chapter seemed to went over everyone's head. NE and BE are at each other's throats now for no reason other than to create AvH tension. She might not represent the majority of her people, and neither does Kael, but the way they established this first NE-BE interaction seemed to be completely obsolete.

Also, many seemed to think her scoffing at Thalyssara was due to her distrust for arcane magic from in-game dialogue wording. But for Elune's sake she killed Watchers to free Illidan, accepted Highborne back in, and assured Anduin about accepting the Illidari into the Alliance. Arcane magic would be the last of her concern. Her distrust for the Nightborne (apart from devs wanting them in the Horde) comes from the Nightborne's decision to hide in a bubble while the others fought the Legion. She left Suramar to defend her home, only to find her people hiding in a bubble for 10k years, and still clinging onto arcane magic. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even bothered helping the Nightborne in the first place. She did it only because it was Suramar. To say that the Nightborne joined the Horde only because Tyrande wasn't nice to them would be folly too, since it was Liadrin who took that opportunity to pull Thalyssara to her side. Props to Lidarin.

But compassionate doesn't mean passive. She just takes matters in her own hands at times that make her seem brash. Killing Watchers to free Illidan, killing the first Alliance and Horde settlers in Ashenvale, and with Varian at the Temple of the Red Crane, you know what BS happened there. None of these contradicts the softer side of her character. Some people think she's being downgraded throughout WoW and is the mother of hippies now, and she should return to her savage ruthless self in WC3. That kinda defeats the purpose of her transition in WC3. Why can't Blizz just stop making her either an agressive idiot or a incapable pacifist when she could've been the other way around at different scenarios? Her passiveness during the War of the Thorns was the most out of character thing to do. Malfurion can't even sway Tyrande once but Anduin can make her stay in Stormwind because "your people need a leader"? She should just marry a human with "human potential" by now. Malfurion isn't even doing much for her at this point. It's like stories were written to make the predetermined events happen, and not having the narrative to flow naturally.

Most people come to hate Tyrande during the Val'Sharrah questline with all the blasphemous voicelines between her and Malfurion. The dialogues were unnecessary, but nothing short of usual Warcraft cheesy unsophisticated lines. It's a given since it wasn't written for a cinematic, but most players weren't merciful towards her character. Care to shed some light on why you'd actually feel like Tyrande should just be killed at this point?

Even tho BfA was generally considered an overall narrative disaster, I personally found the salvation of Jaina's arc in Kul Tiras really satisfying, even though it wasn't Saurfang level of attention, but it felt like her struggles really paid off. Even Illidan's story was somewhat more satisfying than his end in tBC despite the retcons. Whatever Blizz had in store for Tyrande in Shadowlands, I hope it's the same Warbringers level of attention, tie in all her lose ends and bring everyone up to date with her character's perspective. Because villains normally become villains when others no longer understand what they're going through and see their questionable decisions as a threat, just like how Sylvanas is right now. No explanation for one whole expansion, no resolution, just more questions. Tyrande deserves better. If she has to die in the next expansion, let her death be worth it and satisfying to both who like and dislike her.

Maybe it's just me fanboying Tyrande because she's a badass Mary Sue that solo'ed Bolvar and cracked the sky open, and totally not because I initially thought she was the awesome White Tiger and fell in love with her character ever since. Thoughts?

Posted Nov 13, 2019, 4:28 AM UTC

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rod9910•

Not before she has killed Nathanos and atleast helped kill Sylvanas and secured a future for her people that's not on the streets of Stormwind.

Besides, the alternative for Tyrande as a leader would be Shandris, and she is being made into Anduin's puppet suddenly in 8.3, so no, I want to keep Tyrande around. There's a good chance that Blizz will kill her off anyway though just to spit on night elf fans and make Shandris the leader that shakes hands with the horde that got all wet from the blood of her people.

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FinexesOP•

Yea, Shandris was cool until she thought the humans were cool. They could just make Maiev persuade Jarod to take the lead from there on if Tyrande falls. Iirc they hinted at Shandris' crush on Jarod, even tho we know Jarod is quite defined by the loss of his love, Shalasyr. But both these two militaristic generals make a good duo. A break from the Druid-Priestess dynamic. Some might see this as a loss of Night Elves' last strand of their post-Sundering culture, but one could argue that a departure from their ten millennia long stagnant society is much needed ever since their lost of immortality.

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Kagetoki_Kariya•

Wc3 Tyrande is almost a complete different character from WoW Tyrande.

A lof of issues come from the fact that Knaak retconned the WotA with his time travel, but yet we have to assume that the characters still behaved exactly the same during the events of Wc3 despite the timeline not being the same.

So you have contradictions like Night Elves being super xenophobic during wc3 (Cenarius hating the Orcs, Tyrande killing Orcs and Humans on sight...) despite the fact that WotA happened.

And then WoW happens where Tyrande flips flops and is back to her character she was during WotA and it's just weird :

She joins the Alliance, because reasons never officially explained. She completely forgets about the Blood Elves she was eager to help during Wc3 and instead send a bunch of spy to make sure they go to Horde...

And it's worse when it comes to the way she talks about Illidan during Legion considering she was the one who forgave him and trusted him.

In the end we never had this amazonian fighter from wc3 who was about to push out the Orc and Humans out of Ashenvale on her own, and instead we got some afk leader only relevant when it comes to show how Varian is great or to make sure other elf races go to Horde by pissing them off.

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TheHolySpartan•

To answer the issue with WC3 Tyrande killing orcs and humans and WoW Tyrande not I think has been answered. We see the timeline and are journeying along with it. So WC3 Tyrande did happen and didn’t meet the orcs because we haven’t progressed to the point where they go back in time to WOTA. And since we progressed along with the timeline we get to go back at times and see the new updates timeline we didn’t get to experience.

To answer simply they fucked the timeline up by pulling some back to the future shit and then retconning old and new lore to fit their story which is why illidan went from a good character to a villain and then back to a good character

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Film_LaBrava•

Warcraft 3 Tyrande was one of my favorite characters. I hope she does something cool before going out because WoW Tyrande is atrocious.

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VoxEcho•

Everyone seems to have relatively strong opinions in regards to at least one character that they think needs to go away. No matter which side of any conflict people fall on it seems like everyone has a "This character should have/ should be killed" choice.

I'm really not sure if that's a hallmark of a good job or a terrible job for the story writers. I kind of feel like it might be a terrible job masquerading as a good one, but, I'm not certain.

Like, hating certain characters is certainly good writing. I don't know if it's good that "people" in a general sense hate every character in your story, though. In at least some fashion.

This isn't really directly pertinent to what you were asking about OP but from reading your post and reading the replies it's a thought that came to me.

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Sinius•

I think it comes down to why you hate that character. Is it because they're written so well to be hated that you can't help but love to hate them (like Joffrey from ASOIAF) or do you hate that character because the way they were written comes off as shitty fanfiction and the writer trying too hard (IMO, this is Nathanos and Sylvanas. They're all super evil and all, but I don't hate these characters because of that, I hate them and want them to die because of how badly written they are)

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CrusaderMussolini•

Im gonna be fucking pissed in Tyrande dies in shadowlands shes a badass character

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sorcerousmike•

I’ve honestly never found her to be that interesting of a character. Like she very much just feels “there”.

And in her interactions she always came off as really aggro to me. Though given the events of BFA, I think she definitely falls into the “Justified” camp.

She’s supposedly going to be involved with the Night Fae/Ardenweald story. Which as that’s who I’ll be joining on my main (Orc Mage), it’ll be interesting to see how things play out.

My current theories are that A) She’ll be “redeemed” and no longer be the Night Warrior. B) She’ll go on a killing spree. C) She’ll die either to the players or as a heroic sacrifice. or D) All of the Above.

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FinexesOP•

Yea, not nearly as interesting as someone like Thrall, but didn't expect her to just be sidelined a lot in WoW until Legion, which was kinda sad to me because she was the main Night Elf hero in WC3. At least she got the better end of the stick than Kael'Thas, Kel'Thuzad, and Anu'barak. Based on your theories, if (B) happens,your main wouldn't be able to quest in Ardenweald, at least not with her. Hopefully her grudge against the Horde is eased in some way during her plot about discovering Elune.

Also, cool choice for an orc mage to choose Ardenweald,what was the reason behind it?

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sorcerousmike•

The reasoning for that choice is threefold. (And probably has too much thought behind it).

  1. My main is more about the Shamanic side of Orc culture, as opposed to the Warrior side. Which would naturally make him lean more towards Ardenweald and less so to the likes of Maldraxxus or Bastion.

  2. As a Mage and an Enchanter, he loves magic. It’s his passion. He’s always eager to learn not only new spells, but to pick up new techniques and study other kinds of magic. And Ardenweald appears to be the most overtly mystical realm of the Shadowlands with it’s beautiful enchanted glades.

  3. As the kids say; A E S T H E T I C

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As for Tyrande, I really do hope they do something interesting with her. But at this point all we can do is wait and see.

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Dahyun_Fanboy•

What did she do with Varian at the temple and at Val'sharah?

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darkdude103•

In MoP Tyrande wanted to attack the horde stright on in the temple of the red crane and varian had teach her that the smart thing to do was to set traps and bait them out

Which is stupid because gurella tactics are kinda the night elves thing

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[deleted]•

Hopefully, I frankly have seen enough of her and her husband for an entire life time.

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Burn_the_Sheep•

Jaina needs to die. Please.

The most annoying golden child senselessly egregiously OP worthless character in the history of Blizzard as a company.

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MathiasFraenkel•

That's a strange way to spell Sylvanas

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Burn_the_Sheep•

Found the pathetic alliance fanboy.

Sylvanas is a plot device to a new xpac/villian to drive the whole game and has a lot of lore explanations over the last several years for her powering up. Including not even being part of the Horde anymore as a consequence of it all. That is a huge deal. Nothing of the sort can be said for Jaina. She is just OP becuase the spergs writing the lore at Blizz are as pathetic an alliance fanboy as yourself.

Jaina is just F-ing god tier for zero reason or explanation whatsoever. Pathetic to even compare Jaine BS to Syvlanas when they didn't even bother to ever give any reason whatsoever for Jaina being god tier. The definition of a brain dead golden child character, On top of the Alliance not even needing more OP characters either.

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SeniorWrangler07The Patient•

Found the whiny lil Horde bitch

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Burn_the_Sheep•

Look at this moron who thinks Sylvanas is still a horde character. Everyone point and laugh at the brain dead alliance fanboy chimpanzee; AHAHAHA!!!

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Sinius•

Who hurt you?

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Burn_the_Sheep•

Alliance fanboy losers hurt everyone’s IQ every time they speak rofl.

Go back to pretending gnomes are the physical equals of Tauren and thinking you aren’t a brain dead chump who insults your own, and everyone’s, intelligence every time you speak. It is entertaining.

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