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[Christians Only] In my opinion proof of God wouldn't change many people's lives

Humans are weird because we can know something is proven to be true and still not do anything in response to it. Someone may have a task to get done, but they won't finish it despite knowing the consequences. Most people know fast food will harm them, but that doesn't stop people from eating it. And people still use Facebook despite its disregard for privacy. Each of these facts show that certain behaviors leads to consequences, but people won't change their actions. While some people may be able to act upon facts, everyone at some point will ignore some type of absolute truth because it is inconvenient. People do focus on a fact when what it describes happens, but even then will usually forget about it soon after. We see people throughout the Bible that knew God existed, but wouldn't follow Him. Of course it's really easy for us to think it's ridiculous that this happens and that we would never be that stupid, but as shown earlier we easily the truth

My point is that even if everyone knew for fact that God existed, few people would actually act upon that knowledge and even then most changes people made as a result of that knowledge would only be temporary.

Posted Nov 14, 2019, 12:11 AM UTC

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questioningmoralityChristian•

Yeah. If people don’t like the God as described in the bible, they won’t like if they See him face-to-face.

People usually say, if I see him I would believe. That’s false because if you liked the idea of him, he would already reveal himself to you.

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This is the premise of a standard question Frank Turek asks on college campuses. "If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?" There are in fact people who answer that with an affirmative no.

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waterguy48Lutheran (LCMS)•

I love that he asks this, it really helped me realize how to apply the “pearls before swine” verse. I will gladly continue a discussion/argument/debate with anyone who actually has a desire to learn and discover truth, but if they answer no to the question of “if it was real would you believe it” than they are simply in the conversation for other reasons than I and I can walk away knowing it’s not the time or the place in their lives for them to be reached.

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ToppsBloobyChristian•

In revelation this is said to happen at the end times. God also revealed himself to the Israelites and they started worshiping Baal within weeks of Moses going up to Sinai. We are a terrible, sinful people.

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stwadzleChristian•

I am a proponent of fideism (which I think your post somewhat alludes to). Some say that fideism disregards logic. But, I would say that I believe that we should not try to prove that God exists. Rather, people can only really know God through Jesus (who is revealed in Scripture).

I think Luke 16 is useful in this discussion. It ends with "He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'" (Verse 31).

People often say "I would believe in God if He would only just show me..." but truthfully, God has revealed Himself to us in Jesus. If the testimony of Jesus isn't enough, nothing will be.

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ManOfTheInBetweenhttp://imgur.com/3qHAC7q•

If Christians were praying for a dead body to return to life and he did, even if witnessed unbelievers would try to rationalize it. "He wasn't really dead" and "this is a trick".

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CepitoreChristian•

I wish you didn’t make this Christian only. I’m interested how many unbelievers would agree with this.

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Bearman637Baptist•

They would disagree. Lol. No surprise there.

I have had many conversations with people who stated even if they knew for a fact God was real they wouldn't submit to the God of scripture.

I wish all conversations on this sub defaulted to Christians only.

I dont come here to listen to 98% of the population- people i work with and interact with on a daily basis. I hear their mocking and objections to Christ all the time.

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TroutFarmsWesleyan•

You say they would disagree and then proceed to describe how they act precisely the way you proposed. Sounds like they agree to me.

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Bearman637Baptist•

I also realised this. Lol.

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tendaikatiyoChristian•

“My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10:27‬ ‭NIV‬‬

if they’re not part of His sheep nothing will change.

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Bearman637Baptist•

Of course...why else think Jesus was put to death? He raised a dead man back to life...yet they called him demonic!

A mind changed against its will remains of the same opinion still.

The issue never has been evidence. Its always been a corrupt will. Men hate God. Hence the need to be born again...and recieve a new heart from God.

Its why Jesus said No one can come to me unless it has been granted to him by the Father. What he was saying was that no one would desire Jesus apart from God putting that desire in individual elect men and women- chosen by His grace to recieve new hearts and respond positively to the gospel.

You are starting the doctrine of total depravity.

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Amen.

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voicesinmyhandSeventh-day Adventist•

Mostly related - there is a comic where Mr. Fantastic manages to open a portal to Hell. He enters the portal and sees the tortured souls of the damned, etc. Some time later he returns home, still an atheist.

Even if the dead rise from their graves, these will not believe...

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